Question: What were the first universities in America and who founded these universities?

sounds so much like.....political correctness.
You know the permissive concept that allows not doing or saying what is right with a skewed authority. Then if one is not on the side of political correctness they are labeled in a negative fashion.
Say what you think/believe.....be prepared to take lumps deserved or not...stand and be counted (oh-oh!)...

One tales courage the other just lemming following!

btk

Harvard University established in 1636 by the Massachusetts state government. The college primarily trained clergy.

Originally Posted by dklassen

Harvard University established in 1636 by the Massachusetts state government. The college primarily trained clergy.

Correct.

Another question to show historically and with facts the foundation of this country and our Founding Fathers. This is not to say they wanted the government to establish or control religion. But to show, historically, what the believed in as individuals who set out to form a new Republic.

What did our first US President George Washington and his members of Congress do after Washington's inauguration as our country's first president?

He and the members of Congress went to St. Paul’s Church for a service.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Question: What were the first universities in America and who founded these universities?

The College of William and Mary is where Thomas Jefferson went to college along with other future US presidents and 16 signers of the Declaration of Independence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Col...lliam_%26_Mary

It seemed to go through extensive changes as not to seem entangling church and state. Unlike Harvard, it also looks like it was a public institution.

If I remember correctly both William and Mary were against the establishment of religion in England, Scotland and Ireland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_and_Mary

Originally Posted by dklassen

I think they did mean to protect churches from the government and make sure that "congress" couldn't pass any laws as the constitution states.

I'd be willing to bet that founders didn't intend to remove God or prayer from schools or sue city governments from putting a nativity scene in front of the local city hall at Christmas.

In San Diego where I'm from, I grew up watching this total stupidity over the years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_S...ss_controversy

Nothing more than continued left wing, liberal, atheist attempts to remove God from our country. Starting in 1962, this is just another chapter to change and rewrite our history.

Shame on them.

From our current President's book..."Audacity of Hope"

"There are a whole lot of religious people in America, including the majority of Democrats. When we abandon the field of religious discourse—when we ignore the debate about what it means to be a good Christian or Muslim or Jew; when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where or how it should not be practiced, rather than in the positive sense of what it tells us about our obligations toward one another; when we shy away from religious venues and religious broadcasts because we assume that we will be unwelcome—others will fill the vacuum. And those who do are likely to be those with the most insular views of faith, or who cynically use religion to justify partisan ends."

President Barrack Obama


Yes, I have quoted President Obama !!!

ODonnell was right! and those smarty pants snickering faculty, law students and others at Widener University Law School in Wilmington are dumber than they know.
(Remember, I am a lawyer so I know how dumb lawyers can be.).

There is nothing in the first amendment about a WALL of Separation or even Separation of Church and State. I came from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson.
The Supreme Court over the years has expanded the "establishment" clause with such a hodge podge of decisions they have made a mess... a GOD awful mess to excuse the pun.
Is it ok to have In God we trust on our money? How about God in the pledge of allegiance? Prayers before we open the Supreme Court, Congress, in our oaths, on our gov buildings, nativity scenes in public buildings, Phrases on our buildings..
it goes on and on and on. AND .. it will get worse and worse the harder they try.

"Religion" is different than GOD, and establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof is what the founding fathers said and INTENDED to say. They were not stupid, unlike Sarah Palin (jab to you liberals).
So let the words in the Constitution mean what they say, and IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE OR ADD TO THEM, amend the constitution..
Stop letting judges write our laws JUST BECAUSE IT IS EASIER.
TRUST ME.. they are not perfect and make many many mistakes.. and even occasionally correct them.. Brown v. Board of Education.
JJ
BTW.. I am half atheist, half agnostic (nature if you will), in case you were wondering if I was a religious nut. I am NOT religious although I was raised in a strict religious home.. but I do not go balistic when god is mentioned anywhere in gov. That is the same kind of politically correct hysteria that cause NPR to fire Juan Williams.

....but, it seems like the evidence of the philosophical leanings of some of the Founding Fathers would place them separating church and state. This IS in form of a wall between established religions and government.

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/ar...ion_of_chu.htmThe Founding Fathers were also not very far removed from the effects of the various religious wars in Europe from the 1500s through the 1600s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

Originally Posted by JimJoe

ODonnell was right! and those smarty pants snickering faculty, law students and others at Widener University Law School in Wilmington are dumber than they know.
(Remember, I am a lawyer so I know how dumb lawyers can be.).

There is nothing in the first amendment about a WALL of Separation or even Separation of Church and State. I came from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson.
The Supreme Court over the years has expanded the "establishment" clause with such a hodge podge of decisions they have made a mess... a GOD awful mess to excuse the pun.
Is it ok to have In God we trust on our money? How about God in the pledge of allegiance? Prayers before we open the Supreme Court, Congress, in our oaths, on our gov buildings, nativity scenes in public buildings, Phrases on our buildings..
it goes on and on and on. AND .. it will get worse and worse the harder they try.

"Religion" is different than GOD, and establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof is what the founding fathers said and INTENDED to say. They were not stupid, unlike Sarah Palin (jab to you liberals).
So let the words in the Constitution mean what they say, and IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE OR ADD TO THEM, amend the constitution..
Stop letting judges write our laws JUST BECAUSE IT IS EASIER.
TRUST ME.. they are not perfect and make many many mistakes.. and even occasionally correct them.. Brown v. Board of Education.
JJ
BTW.. I am half atheist, half agnostic (nature if you will), in case you were wondering if I was a religious nut. I am NOT religious although I was raised in a strict religious home.. but I do not go balistic when god is mentioned anywhere in gov. That is the same kind of politically correct hysteria that cause NPR to fire Juan Williams.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac

....but, it seems like the evidence of the philosophical leanings of some of the Founding Fathers would place them separating church and state. This IS in form of a wall between established religions and government.

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/ar...ion_of_chu.htm

The Founding Fathers were also not very far removed from the effects of the various religious wars in Europe from the 1500s through the 1600s.

Do you agree with O Donnell?
Neither The WALL nor the SEPARATION are in the constitution!

Originally Posted by JimJoe

Do you agree with O Donnell?
The WALL nor the SEPARATION are in the constitution!

The word "wall" is not in the US Constitution but it certainly seems to be a big part of the establishment clause as interpreted by United States Supreme Court Justices.

So, no I do not agree with O Donnell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_A...s_Constitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establi...irst_Amendment

Originally Posted by Taltarzac

The word "wall" is not in the US Constitution but it certainly seems to be a big part of the establishment clause as interpreted by United States Supreme Court Justices.

So, no I do not agree with O Donnell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_A...s_Constitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establi...irst_Amendment

What else is hiding in there I cannot see?
Finding Things in there I cannot see is scary, and will vary as the political winds blow. Is that really what our founding fathers wanted?
JJ

I wonder of the founders intended for there to be no prayer is schools, no crosses on public land, no nativaty scenes in front of city hall, no ten commands in schools or at any public buildings, etc, etc, etc. Any rational person would realize this wasn't the case nor is it the case today

In God We Trust has been printed on our money for 148 years by the federal government. Wonder if the founders including Jefferson would now vote to remove In God We Trust from our currency? I think not.

Yet some today will use the Constitution including actavist judges and contend that it should in fact be removed.

Was this the intent of the founders or the 1st amendment. I think not.

Originally Posted by dklassen

I wonder of the founders intended for there to be no prayer is schools, no crosses on public land, no nativaty scenes in front of city hall, no ten commands in schools or at any public buildings, etc, etc, etc. Any rational person would realize this wasn't the case nor is it the case today

In God We Trust has been printed on our money for 148 years by the federal government. Wonder if the founders including Jefferson would now vote to remove In God We Trust from our currency? I think not.

Yet some today will use the Constitution including actavist judges and contend that it should in fact be removed.

Was this the intent of the founders or the 1st amendment. I think not.

There seems to be quite a tradition of having "In God We Trust" on US currency. I cannot really see activist judges successfully removing this phrase as it does not promote one religion but many of them that have one deity-- Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and probably deism.

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fac...we-trust.shtml

If you take God from the fabric of society, the leftists can restructure the USA in their image.