Originally Posted by buggyone

It sure beats the Ryan plan of saying he would control Medicare spending by converting some of it into subsidies for private insurance, thereby shifting more of the burden to individuals. Ryan's plan also calls for privatizing Social Security. Both of those are very bad ideas.

Define BURDEN as you use it here ? Please !!

Is it with or without the vouchers ?

Originally Posted by Bucco

Ahhh yes, the predictable smart crack....really a help for any discussion.

I suggest you look closely at the situation that this country is in, and what we face in just the last of this year....it is amazing and I can not bring myself to make jokes over it.

The old tried and true "Bush did it" thing is very old....many of us disagreed with much of that spending, but to dwell on it to defend what is happening now...well, the logic simply escapes me.

of course the response instead of any factual discussion will be from somewhere another few wisecracks. Must make you all smile at times !

I sure wont refer to kids or grandkids anymore...however the jokes, it IS important to me !

I'm not joking, the right always brings up the tots to get the heart salve flowing until they send them off to war.

Originally Posted by buggyone

""Americians get their freedoms from natural law and God not the government."

I honestly do not know exactly what you mean by this statement. Americans had slaves until the end of the Civil War. Was slavery part of the freedom from natural law and from God?

From what I read, natural law is another term for human rights. Is that what you mean?

Can you please explain fully what you mean by your original statement? Thanks.

This is as incoherent as it is incomprehensible.

Are you somehow thinking that God made people into slaves of other men?

Can't you answer your own silly question?

Man was endowed with inalienable rights from God that only other men can take away. (that's a clue if your own question is still stumping you)

Right now American's rights are being threatened by Democrat Socialists.

(that's another clue for you)

Originally Posted by Posh 08

I'm not joking, the right always brings up the tots to get the heart salve flowing until they send them off to war.

Not sure if I understand you !!!

Are you equating cutting our deficit and spending to going to war ?

That might work, as I think of it....I honestly dont recall anyone mentioning war on here in quite sometime so I suppose I am the stupid one who does not quite understand your analogy !

Anytime I used the "tots" as you refer to them it was to say they will inherit the mess we are in if we dont something...scratch that...they WILL inherit it not matter what, but they may .....well, as a renowned economist said a few days ago on NPR.....it we did not have all the subsidies being paid out by the federal government, we would have the soup kitchens of yore, AND add to that, factually speaking, we cannot afford all those subsidies any longer ! That might get the point across

BUT if I missed some posts on war, my bad !

Mitt Romney claimed all along that his number one goal in selecting a VP was that this individual would be ready to be president from day one. What experience does a seven term congressman have that would qualify him for the job? Paul Ryan has no managerial experience, as a governor would have, and he has no foreign relations experience. Ryan has never even won a statewide race.

Originally Posted by janmcn

Mitt Romney claimed all along that his number one goal in selecting a VP was that this individual would be ready to be president from day one. What experience does a seven term congressman have that would qualify him for the job? Paul Ryan has no managerial experience, as a governor would have, and he has no foreign relations experience. Ryan has never even won a statewide race.

MORE, much more than our incumbent had or has, to be frank !!! MUCHO MORE !!! And even with 3 years in office, Ryan still outshines him in every way, shape of form, except maybe in public speaking !

Obama is the consumate and total politician and he is good at it, but right now, we need leadership and plans.

Shinyness is in the eyes of the beholder!!!!

"I am not surprised but saddened that the liberal left desires an explanation as to what "rights from natural law and God , and not government mean" I'll explain why further down in my comments.

Whether one calls it a monarchy, central planning or federal government the dictates wishes vision of that entity will prevail. Ask the Chinese people the Russians Burmese, etc. Apparently we have blessed for so long that some of us have taken for granted our blessings.

The creation and preservation of our democracy has come at a great expense for many Americans because they believed that born by accident or by God their destiny belonged to them.

But all of this is well known and I suspect those who feign a lack of understanding can probably explain this phrase better than me.

It isn't that they don't understand it, rather it is because they know it is true and they and their leader's design for total government domainace is now threatened. It is indeed sad that these l Americans would feign a lack of understanding of our basic and inalienable rights granted by natural law and God and memorialzed in the U. S. Constitution and in doing so dishonor the men and women who over America's history fought and died to protect and preserves those rights. The fact that they do so is very instructive, instructive but sad."
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I have no idea whatsoever of what was posted to try and explain "freedoms given by natural law and God."

Originally Posted by Bucco

MORE, much more than our incumbent had or has, to be frank !!! MUCHO MORE !!! And even with 3 years in office, Ryan still outshines him in every way, shape of form, except maybe in public speaking !

Obama is the consumate and total politician and he is good at it, but right now, we need leadership and plans.

President Obama was not appointed to any office. He earned it the old fashioned way, by campaigning long and hard, and winning election by a landslide, fair and square.

Originally Posted by buggyone

"I am not surprised but saddened that the liberal left desires an explanation as to what "rights from natural law and God , and not government mean" I'll explain why further down in my comments.

Whether one calls it a monarchy, central planning or federal government the dictates wishes vision of that entity will prevail. Ask the Chinese people the Russians Burmese, etc. Apparently we have blessed for so long that some of us have taken for granted our blessings.

The creation and preservation of our democracy has come at a great expense for many Americans because they believed that born by accident or by God their destiny belonged to them.

But all of this is well known and I suspect those who feign a lack of understanding can probably explain this phrase better than me.

It isn't that they don't understand it, rather it is because they know it is true and they and their leader's design for total government domainace is now threatened. It is indeed sad that these l Americans would feign a lack of understanding of our basic and inalienable rights granted by natural law and God and memorialzed in the U. S. Constitution and in doing so dishonor the men and women who over America's history fought and died to protect and preserves those rights. The fact that they do so is very instructive, instructive but sad."
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I have no idea whatsoever of what was posted to try and explain "freedoms given by natural law and God."

yes you do and I am done with this thread

Originally Posted by RichieLion

This is as incoherent as it is incomprehensible.

Are you somehow thinking that God made people into slaves of other men?

Can't you answer your own silly question?

Man was endowed with inalienable rights from God that only other men can take away. (that's a clue if your own question is still stumping you)

Right now American's rights are being threatened by Democrat Socialists.

(that's another clue for you)

If man was endowed with certain inalienable rights (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness), why did some of the framers of the American constitution have slaves and slavery was not abolished for about 100 years after those words were first written?

No, it is Repubicans are the ones who are threatening the American rights.

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Originally Posted by janmcn

President Obama was not appointed to any office. He earned it the old fashioned way, by campaigning long and hard, and winning election by a landslide, fair and square.

I was unaware that Ryan never ran for office and was appointed. Thanks for the lesson.

Who said Obama won other than fair and square ? Not sure why that coment. Obama was running as soon as the votes were in to elect hm to the senate....how many days again did he actually "report for duty". I know he was absent quite a bit in Chicago.

But thanks again for the info on Ryan being appointed to congress !! He has been "appointed" quite a few times now !

Originally Posted by Bucco

Not sure if I understand you !!!

Are you equating cutting our deficit and spending to going to war ?

That might work, as I think of it....I honestly dont recall anyone mentioning war on here in quite sometime so I suppose I am the stupid one who does not quite understand your analogy !

Anytime I used the "tots" as you refer to them it was to say they will inherit the mess we are in if we dont something...scratch that...they WILL inherit it not matter what, but they may .....well, as a renowned economist said a few days ago on NPR.....it we did not have all the subsidies being paid out by the federal government, we would have the soup kitchens of yore, AND add to that, factually speaking, we cannot afford all those subsidies any longer ! That might get the point across

BUT if I missed some posts on war, my bad !

The right will use kids and grand kids as political props when discussing deficit but will also use them as cannon fodder when its time to feed the military industrial complex.

Originally Posted by Bucco

I was unaware that Ryan never ran for office and was appointed. Thanks for the lesson.

Who said Obama won other than fair and square ? Not sure why that coment. Obama was running as soon as the votes were in to elect hm to the senate....how many days again did he actually "report for duty". I know he was absent quite a bit in Chicago.

But thanks again for the info on Ryan being appointed to congress !! He has been "appointed" quite a few times now !

I should have been more clear. Congressman Paul Ryan was selected/appointed to be Vice President of the United States by the presumptive GOP nominee, Mitt Romeny.

Earlier I was questioning how his seven terms as an elected member of congress, with no managerial experience or foreign relations experience, qualifies him to be president if, God forbid, something happened to the president.