Originally Posted by Guest

I'm honestly not sure what the issue is. At the time Pence used campaign funds for personal bills, it was legal. To bring up something that occurred 23 years ago and was perfectly legal at the time in an effort to besmirch another's character SHOULD be beneath anyone to mention. Shame it couldn't have stayed that way.

Red

"According to FEC documents, Pence spent a total of $12,867 from his 1990 campaign account for personal expenses, including seven installments of his $992 monthly mortgage and his wife’s $222 a month car payment."

Have you ever heard of being ethical?

adjective eth·i·cal \ˈe-thi-kəl\

Simple Definition

: involving questions of right and wrong behavior : relating to ethics

: following accepted rules of behavior : morally right and good

It was poor judgment but certainly not of the "crook" caliber. He lost the election because of it, he spent a year apologizing, he vowed to never do it again. Other than have him be perfect, what you have liked the man to do?

Believe it or not, most liberals I know are pretty intelligent and frequently see both sides of the coin. They just feel that humans take precedence over government and business. Individual rights are far more important than security. We love this country but we can see its faults and want it to improve, to be the great nation our Constitution decrees for all Americans, not just a select few.

Btw, I'm not a Hillary fan but I'll vote for her. Trump is too much of an egotistical blowhard for my taste. He scares me.

Red

[QUOTE=Guest;1255032]It was poor judgment but certainly not of the "crook" caliber. He lost the election because of it, he spent a year apologizing, he vowed to never do it again. Other than have him be perfect, what you have liked the man to do?

Believe it or not, most liberals I know are pretty intelligent and frequently see both sides of the coin. They just feel that humans take precedence over government and business. Individual rights are far more important than security. We love this country but we can see its faults and want it to improve, to be the great nation our Constitution decrees for all Americans, not just a select few.

Btw, I'm not a Hillary fan but I'll vote for her. Trump is too much of an egotistical blowhard for my taste. He scares me.

Trump scares you? Hillary wants to bring in 65000 Syrian refugees into the US. If you trust her Government to vett each and every refugee properly you are very naive. She did not know how to secure her email servers and handle classified documents, so how can you trust her to secure our Nation? Even if 1 out of 100 we accept could be a radical Islamic sympathizer, imagine the death and destruction those 650 could accomplish. I hope 65000 Hillary supporters will each invite one of these refugees to live with them on their arrival. The odds are with you that only 1 out of 100 may kill you and your family.

Originally Posted by Guest

It was poor judgment but certainly not of the "crook" caliber. He lost the election because of it, he spent a year apologizing, he vowed to never do it again. Other than have him be perfect, what you have liked the man to do?

Believe it or not, most liberals I know are pretty intelligent and frequently see both sides of the coin. They just feel that humans take precedence over government and business. Individual rights are far more important than security. We love this country but we can see its faults and want it to improve, to be the great nation our Constitution decrees for all Americans, not just a select few.

Btw, I'm not a Hillary fan but I'll vote for her. Trump is too much of an egotistical blowhard for my taste. He scares me.

Red

Just when I thought you might be coming around to logical thinking, you go and blow it by writing too much. Not a Hillary fan but will vote for her because you don't like the way Trump sounds? Are you serious? You would totally discard or ignore Hillary's multiple felonies, lies, and national security violations, not to mention her tax fraud, and vote for her because you don't like the way Trump speaks? What a 'tard!

Pence is an EXCELLENT choice.

[QUOTE=Guest;1255032]It was poor judgment but certainly not of the "crook" caliber. He lost the election because of it, he spent a year apologizing, he vowed to never do it again. Other than have him be perfect, what you have liked the man to do?

Believe it or not, most liberals I know are pretty intelligent and frequently see both sides of the coin. They just feel that humans take precedence over government and business. Individual rights are far more important than security. We love this country but we can see its faults and want it to improve, to be the great nation our Constitution decrees for all Americans, not just a select few.

Btw, I'm not a Hillary fan but I'll vote for her. Trump is too much of an egotistical blowhard for my taste. He scares me.

Red[/QUOTE

As long as we have parties nothing will change. They will keep us fighting among ourself which is right up the party line.

[QUOTE=Guest;1255562]

Originally Posted by Guest

It was poor judgment but certainly not of the "crook" caliber. He lost the election because of it, he spent a year apologizing, he vowed to never do it again. Other than have him be perfect, what you have liked the man to do?

Believe it or not, most liberals I know are pretty intelligent and frequently see both sides of the coin. They just feel that humans take precedence over government and business. Individual rights are far more important than security. We love this country but we can see its faults and want it to improve, to be the great nation our Constitution decrees for all Americans, not just a select few.

Btw, I'm not a Hillary fan but I'll vote for her. Trump is too much of an egotistical blowhard for my taste. He scares me.

Red[/QUOTE

As long as we have parties nothing will change. They will keep us fighting among ourself which is right up the party line.

And she isn't? She doesn't scare you too?

So...stop voting for them...get them out of our government.

Originally Posted by Guest

As long as we have parties nothing will change. They will keep us fighting among ourself which is right up the party line.

Without parties, how long do you suppose the election process would take? The vote would be divided up into factions that would hinder a resolution with no majority, so there would have to be another vote and then another, until the voter got tired and quit turning out.

Originally Posted by Guest

Without parties, how long do you suppose the election process would take? The vote would be divided up into factions that would hinder a resolution with no majority, so there would have to be another vote and then another, until the voter got tired and quit turning out.

So...it's better to have known thieves and liars than take the time needed to "do it right"? Two votes tops. Top two have a runoff.

Originally Posted by Guest

Please tell me it isn't the Clinton supporters who are gabbering about somebody doing something illegal or not right.....

So you think its okay and you would have done it.

[QUOTE=Guest;1255562]

Originally Posted by Guest

It was poor judgment but certainly not of the "crook" caliber. He lost the election because of it, he spent a year apologizing, he vowed to never do it again. Other than have him be perfect, what you have liked the man to do?

Believe it or not, most liberals I know are pretty intelligent and frequently see both sides of the coin. They just feel that humans take precedence over government and business. Individual rights are far more important than security. We love this country but we can see its faults and want it to improve, to be the great nation our Constitution decrees for all Americans, not just a select few.

Btw, I'm not a Hillary fan but I'll vote for her. Trump is too much of an egotistical blowhard for my taste. He scares me.

Red[/QUOTE

As long as we have parties nothing will change. They will keep us fighting among ourself which is right up the party line.

crook
[kro͝ok]
NOUN

the hooked staff of a shepherd.
informal
a person who is dishonest or a criminal.

So you think what he did was not "dishonest"?

Originally Posted by Guest

So you think its okay and you would have done it.

Or, maybe that poster thinks it highly hypocritical of a Hillary supporter to be throwing stones. Does that make it easier for you to comprehend, or do you need a cartoon as a visual aid to make it easier for you?

Originally Posted by Guest

It was poor judgment but certainly not of the "crook" caliber. He lost the election because of it, he spent a year apologizing, he vowed to never do it again. Other than have him be perfect, what you have liked the man to do?

Believe it or not, most liberals I know are pretty intelligent and frequently see both sides of the coin. They just feel that humans take precedence over government and business. Individual rights are far more important than security. We love this country but we can see its faults and want it to improve, to be the great nation our Constitution decrees for all Americans, not just a select few.

Btw, I'm not a Hillary fan but I'll vote for her. Trump is too much of an egotistical blowhard for my taste. He scares me.

Red

I agree with you about Donald Trump. The man also seems to use the law as a sledgehammer to get his own way with his army of lawyers wielding it. The man is very macho except when called out on his bullying. Then he hides behind his army of lawyers.

Hillary Clinton is slippery but fairly honest as politicians go. She has had to fend off the Republican media machine for the past 25 years or more.

Hillary Clinton's Health Care Task Force Carol H. Rasco sent me a letter around 1993 that helped me a great deal with my 224 613 Project in the 1990s.

I do not remember getting anything anytime from Donald Trump with respect to this massive 224 613 Project.

Tal

Originally Posted by Guest

I agree with you about Donald Trump. The man also seems to use the law as a sledgehammer to get his own way with his army of lawyers wielding it. The man is very macho except when called out on his bullying. Then he hides behind his army of lawyers.

Hillary Clinton is slippery but fairly honest as politicians go. She has had to fend off the Republican media machine for the past 25 years or more.

Hillary Clinton's Health Care Task Force Carol H. Rasco sent me a letter around 1993 that helped me a great deal with my 224 613 Project in the 1990s.

I do not remember getting anything anytime from Donald Trump with respect to this massive 224 613 Project.

Tal

That's hilarious! Hillary "fairly honest?" Apparently, you are in the minority that believes that. The overwhelming majority of American voters believe her to be dishonest.

And Tal, do you ever get over being a lawyer? That's all you ever talk about. With an ego as large as yours, I find it hard to believe that anyone is worthy of your vote.....

Good grief man, get a life. A lawyer believes another lawyer is "fairly honest" ha, ha, ha....so funny!

Originally Posted by Guest

That's hilarious! Hillary "fairly honest?" Apparently, you are in the minority that believes that. The overwhelming majority of American voters believe her to be dishonest.

And Tal, do you ever get over being a lawyer? That's all you ever talk about. With an ego as large as yours, I find it hard to believe that anyone is worthy of your vote.....

Good grief man, get a life. A lawyer believes another lawyer is "fairly honest" ha, ha, ha....so funny!

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