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Originally Posted by RichieLion

I think the anger and the attacks of the "liberal" posters on this thread directed toward the conservative posters who actually were commenting on the OP is a bigger issue for me.

In other words, you don't have any ammunition to combat the support for The Affordable Care Act that the Canadian experiance suggests.

If Obama thinks the Canadian healthcare system is so good, why did the Premier of Newfoundland, Danny Williams, travel to America for heart surgery????Williams was unapologetic about his decision to fly to Miami for treatment. He said "This was my heart, my choice and my health"

Likewise, former prime minister of Canada, Jean Chretien, flew to the U.S. to go to the Mayo clinic. so, if America offers the best treatments, why would we want to have socialized medicine as they have in Canada?? Or is it possible ObamaCare isn't just about socialized medicine???? If you look closely, you'll find it's really about the "redistribution of wealth" That's correct - comprehend the Nasty reality. Obamacare isn't about health care - it' about the government stealing from the "makers" and giving to the "takers" That's right you libs. Get in Line BEHIND someone else who hasn't paid a dime and doesn't belong in this country in the first place!! It's going be one long hell of a ride. let's hope maybe your gone before it begins!! If not, enjoy the ride!! And don't worry about it, you'll find out what's in the bill AFTER they pass it. Adios Amigo

Originally Posted by hulababy

If Obama thinks the Canadian healthcare system is so good, why did the Premier of Newfoundland, Danny Williams, travel to America for heart surgery????Williams was unapologetic about his decision to fly to Miami for treatment. He said "This was my heart, my choice and my health" Likewise, former prime minister of Canada, Jean Chretien, flew to the U.S. to go to the Mayo clinic. so, if America offers the best treatments, why would we want to have socialized medicine as they have in Canada?? Or is it possible ObamaCare isn't just about socialized medicine???? If you look closely, you'll find it's really about the "redistribution of wealth" That's correct - comprehend the Nasty reality. Obamacare isn't about health care - it' about the government stealing from the "makers" and giving to the "takers" That's right you libs. Get in Line BEHIND someone else who hasn't paid a dime and doesn't belong in this country in the first place!! It's going be one long hell of a ride. let's hope maybe your gone before it begins!! If not, enjoy the ride!! And don't worry about it, you'll find out what's in the bill AFTER they pass it. Adios Amigo

Originally Posted by Barefoot

There was a Provincial Premier (Danny Williams) that went to the US for heart surgery in 2010. And that caused a lot of press. In his case, I believe there was a new technique being pioneered in Florida, and he wanted to take advantage of that. It was widely reported as the Canadian Prime Minister, but that wasn't the case. I have no doubt that there are some very wealthy Canadians who go the the USA for surgery. No doubt at all. But I think it is erroneous to think it happens frequently. Heck, if I were a Billionaire who needed an operation, I'd probably shop around all over the world for the best procedure.

Just because a country like Canada has socialized medicine, it doesn't mean they have exclusive rights to the the latest and best medical techniques. Yesterday I posted about Canadians visiting other countries for medical advice or surgery (above post). There are probably some prominent Americans who have visited Europe to learn about new techniques. This is nothing new.

Socialized medicine works very well in Canada. But it's not perfect, it's expensive, and it's not easy to implement. I'm not sure that the US is ready for the challenges of implementation, or that the citizens are willing to be heavily taxed to support it.

Wow! I can just envision how many liberals became speechless after the above mentioned commentary concerning th problems associated with Canada's single payer pla. The stories mimick those coming abroad from england, et al. I guess the best way you make the AffordableHealthCare Act adfordable is to deny many people treatment both those procedures deemed too expensive by the Act, those individuals deemed not to benefit from the procedure best on its cost and some procedures because it would create too high a frequency of use.

Originally Posted by bigalibaba

In other words, you don't have any ammunition to combat the support for The Affordable Care Act that the Canadian experiance suggests.

I don't battle bullcrap. It's pointless.

The constant vitriol of the "liberals" to conservative posters is here and real, and much more pertinent to this forum; IMHO.

But most here know how I view the unconstitutional decision of the Supreme Court, particularly the absurd explanation of InJustice Roberts, to pass this unconstitutional law by redefining a penalty to a tax (which is still a penalty). which is traitorous to the Constitution and that's all I'll discuss about this unconstitutional law.

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Just because a country like Canada has socialized medicine, it doesn't mean they have exclusive rights to the the latest and best medical techniques. Yesterday I posted about Canadians visiting other countries for medical advice or surgery (above post). There are probably some prominent Americans who have visited Europe to learn about new techniques. This is nothing new.

Socialized medicine works very well in Canada. But it's not perfect, it's expensive, and it's not easy to implement. I'm not sure that the US is ready for the challenges of implementation, or that the citizens are willing to be heavily taxed to support it.

Good post. A question I have that I think is relevant here is this:

About 50% of Americans pay no federal income tax at all. Is this a similar circumstance in Canada, where half of national healthcare consumers "have no skin in the game", and therefore they do not care if those taxes are increased hugely on those who do pay?

Why do half of all Americans pay no federal income taxes? - The Washington Post

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Just because a country like Canada has socialized medicine, it doesn't mean they have exclusive rights to the the latest and best medical techniques. Yesterday I posted about Canadians visiting other countries for medical advice or surgery (above post). There are probably some prominent Americans who have visited Europe to learn about new techniques. This is nothing new.

Socialized medicine works very well in Canada. But it's not perfect, it's expensive, and it's not easy to implement. I'm not sure that the US is ready for the challenges of implementation, or that the citizens are willing to be heavily taxed to support it.

Expensive?.......hard to implement?...........heavily taxed populace?...........decline in medical innovation?............decline in number of doctors?...............bureaucrats deciding efficacy of further medical treatment?..............lengthy waits for doctor's appointments?.............Ohhh, we can't wait.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I don't battle bullcrap. It's pointless.

The constant vitriol of the "liberals" to conservative posters is here and real, and much more pertinent to this forum; IMHO.

But most here know how I view the unconstitutional decision of the Supreme Court, particularly the absurd explanation of InJustice Roberts, to pass this unconstitutional law by redefining a penalty to a tax (which is still a penalty). which is traitorous to the Constitution and that's all I'll discuss about this unconstitutional law.

Correct me if I'm wrong (undoubtedly the most unecessary comment I have ever typed), but haven't you been critical of the name-calling by posters like buggy, dale, waynet etc.? Seems in the past few weeks you have embraced the name calling - The Amateur, marxists, InJustice Roberts come to mind. Is it just liberals or others with whom you disagree, coming up with cutesy or inflammatory names that is troubling to you?

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Correct me if I'm wrong (undoubtedly the most unecessary comment I have ever typed), but haven't you been critical of the name-calling by posters like buggy, dale, waynet etc.? Seems in the past few weeks you have embraced the name calling - The Amateur, marxists, InJustice Roberts come to mind. Is it just liberals or others with whom you disagree, coming up with cutesy or inflammatory names that is troubling to you?

It has been going on for years and very insulting to other forum members.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Correct me if I'm wrong (undoubtedly the most unecessary comment I have ever typed), but haven't you been critical of the name-calling by posters like buggy, dale, waynet etc.? Seems in the past few weeks you have embraced the name calling - The Amateur, marxists, InJustice Roberts come to mind. Is it just liberals or others with whom you disagree, coming up with cutesy or inflammatory names that is troubling to you?

I've been talking about the attacks on the posters of conservative ideas here, for lack of an intelligent answer on this forum, and not of the public figures that are the subjects of these threads.

You haven't been paying attention.

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

It has been going on for years and very insulting to other forum members.

FOR YEARS!!............FOR YEARS......

Aren't you some new addition to this forum??

Every post I've posted that alluded to you being someone who's been here before under many different names has been deleted, as will this one no doubt.

Maybe I was just mistaken...............but how would a really new poster like you know about anything on this forum that's allegedly been going on for years?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Expensive?.......hard to implement?...........heavily taxed populace?...........decline in medical innovation?............decline in number of doctors?...............bureaucrats deciding efficacy of further medical treatment?..............lengthy waits for doctor's appointments?.............Ohhh, we can't wait.

Just scare tactics by the reactionary right wingers. Do not believe a word of it.

Reactionary right wingers seem to think they know the answers to situtations that have not arisen. Must be nice to be clairvoyant. You would be a great addition to the Psychic Hotline at 99 cents per minute.

Hey, that is the Obama Administration creating a job for you, Richie!

Originally Posted by buggyone

Just scare tactics by the reactionary right wingers. Do not believe a word of it.

Reactionary right wingers seem to think they know the answers to situtations that have not arisen. Must be nice to be clairvoyant. You would be a great addition to the Psychic Hotline at 99 cents per minute.

Hey, that is the Obama Administration creating a job for you, Richie!

Don't have to be clairvoyant; just have to be educated. You can attain that lofty goal by reading. Try reading outside the leftist approved box.

I'll exercise a bit of futility in posting some links, you won't read, that might educate you, if you did, to what's being predicted. Unlike you, I don't take people's words for things, especially this President, and I tend to read just a bit.


RealClearPolitics - Dems' Health Care Plans Mean Lower Quality, Long Waits

Obamacare Expected to Increase Loss of Doctor-Owned Practices | Heartlander Magazine

EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Why Life Expectancy Will Decline Under ObamaCare

Why Obamacare's Medicaid Expansion Will Reduce Health Care Access - Megan McArdle - The Atlantic

CBO: Obamacare Will Spend More, Tax More, and Reduce the Deficit Less Than We Previously Thought - Forbes

Poll: 59 Percent of Businesses Say ObamaCare 'Step in Wrong Direction' | CNSNews.com

Originally Posted by hulababy

Ridiculous!! First of all, we're past the time to worry about having babies. We are at the exact age where we need to worry about heart transplants, knee replacements, hip replacements, etc.. all which you will wait for for months on end. If their health care is so great they wouldn't be coming to the grand old USA for their surgeries. Just rubbish.

You're believing a lie.

Google the term "medical tourism".

By demographics, approximately 10 times as many people should be coming to the US from other countries than go to other countries FROM the US.

The reality is that 10 times as many people LEAVE the US for medical procedures as come here from foreign countries.

Heck, two people who are working in my department *in the Air Force*, were flying to Mexico for dental work because even after air fare, the price was cheaper. (One cancelled due to escalating violence near the airport she was flying to)