Originally Posted by HelenLCSW

Where are you getting this information?! If you are following links, you are connecting to biased views. If you connect to the Planned Parenthood website, you will see nothing even remotely similar to the language you are expressing. I know several people who have used their services -- one is black -- and they would strongly disagree with you. What did you use Planned Parenthood for -- what was your direct experience? If you have a personal point of view on abortion, I am more that willing to listen, but unless you have had direct experience, please don't perpetuate hate-mongering -- it is a dangerous thing to do.

No, what is dangerous is calling someone a hate-mongerer.

Here's what Jane Roe has to say today...Norma L. McCorvey is a healthy Christian woman. In the present day, she is an activist who speaks out against legalized, willful abortion. She was once Jane Roe of Roe versus Wade, the court case that gave abortionists legitimacy to perform the monstrous act of abortion.

“After over 28 years of guilt-induced drug binges and various jobs in abortion clinics in an attempt to justify her involvement in the legalization of abortion, Norma McCorvey did the unthinkable. As the former “poster-girl” for abortion who, in the words of a friend, “jumped off of the poster and into the arms of Christ,” Norma truly began to live her life over, and today seeks to tell the world the truth about abortion. (Roe v. Life, 2)

The belief that is propounded by various pro-abortion groups or individuals says, “Abortion is a safe medical procedure. It is a woman's right. It will not harm you physically or emotionally,” is a lie.

Reportedly, as many as Ninety-one percent of women who have an abortion suffer from a condition known as post abortion trauma. (Diane S. Drew) This is a condition, which always leads to self-doubt, severe depression, and can sometimes even lead to suicide.
http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/article96.htm

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

China mandated a one child family policy. The Cadres (govenor/mayor) in each province have historically been measured by his boss for promotion or pay increase, on how closely his province adhered to this policy. It is therefore more often than not, that these Cadres take matters into their own hands to insure that the policy is taken seriously one way or the other. While the Chinese goverrnment does not condone this, it has certainly turned a blind eye

As far as people terminating the lives of their own unborn children, that is still murder and we live in a moral society who should hold these people accountable. Roe v Wade needs to be overturned as it is an errant law.

well, you really didn't say anything much different about the Chinese situation that I did -- there's no disagreement there. As to your other point, I appreciate your point of view even though I disagree with it.

by the same token then, I assume you disagree with those who murder abortionists. Murder is murder, right?

Originally Posted by HelenLCSW

Where are you getting this information?! If you are following links, you are connecting to biased views. If you connect to the Planned Parenthood website, you will see nothing even remotely similar to the language you are expressing. I know several people who have used their services -- one is black -- and they would strongly disagree with you. What did you use Planned Parenthood for -- what was your direct experience? If you have a personal point of view on abortion, I am more that willing to listen, but unless you have had direct experience, please don't perpetuate hate-mongering -- it is a dangerous thing to do.

One of my dearest friend in the whole world, Brenda who has spent many years smuggling bibles into China. I have heard this information first hand from this honest woman who has given me the honest truth. I can only tell the truth, it is up to you to consider me a liar or not. I cannot force anyone to hear the truth. Additionally, the kind Chinese people pray for Americans! The reason is that we have too many things that blind our eyes to truth, and they pray that we will not turn out like China. China was once a great Democracy that was destroyed from within similar to how we are destroying our great Democracy.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Here's what Jane Roe has to say today...Norma L. McCorvey is a healthy Christian woman. In the present day, she is an activist who speaks out against legalized, willful abortion. She was once Jane Roe of Roe versus Wade, the court case that gave abortionists legitimacy to perform the monstrous act of abortion.

“After over 28 years of guilt-induced drug binges and various jobs in abortion clinics in an attempt to justify her involvement in the legalization of abortion, Norma McCorvey did the unthinkable. As the former “poster-girl” for abortion who, in the words of a friend, “jumped off of the poster and into the arms of Christ,” Norma truly began to live her life over, and today seeks to tell the world the truth about abortion. (Roe v. Life, 2)

The belief that is propounded by various pro-abortion groups or individuals says, “Abortion is a safe medical procedure. It is a woman's right. It will not harm you physically or emotionally,” is a lie.

Reportedly, as many as Ninety-one percent of women who have an abortion suffer from a condition known as post abortion trauma. (Diane S. Drew) This is a condition, which always leads to self-doubt, severe depression, and can sometimes even lead to suicide.
http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/article96.htm

I am a psychotherapist and what you say about the psychological aftermath of abortion is quite true -- no one terminates a pregnancy easily; HOWEVER, that same aftermath occurs after rape or any other traumatic event. With proper counseling, these women go on to live psychologically healthy lives. If they do not recover it is most likely that there are other issues in their lives that they have not resolved.

Originally Posted by HelenLCSW

well, you really didn't say anything much different about the Chinese situation that I did -- there's no disagreement there. As to your other point, I appreciate your point of view even though I disagree with it.

by the same token then, I assume you disagree with those who murder abortionists. Murder is murder, right?

I totally disagree with those who kill abortionists. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

One of my dearest friend in the whole world, Brenda who has spent many years smuggling bibles into China. I have heard this information first hand from this honest woman who has given me the honest truth. I can only tell the truth, it is up to you to consider me a liar or not. I cannot force anyone to hear the truth. Additionally, the kind Chinese people pray for Americans! The reason is that we have too many things that blind our eyes to truth, and they pray that we will not turn out like China. China was once a great Democracy that was destroyed from within similar to how we are destroying our great Democracy.

Well, your dear friend, Brenda, has a religiously biased view, yes. I am not disputing it, just calling it out.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Yes, Caucasian population is down everywhere. Muslim population is exploding all around the earth. Check out England when you have the chance. WE have killed around 40 million babies in USA and now they say we need immigration to make up the difference. What a world.

Why is it that 90+ % of Planned Parenthood facilities are located in poverty and low income and black communities?

Originally Posted by HelenLCSW

I am a psychotherapist and what you say about the psychological aftermath of abortion is quite true -- no one terminates a pregnancy easily; HOWEVER, that same aftermath occurs after rape or any other traumatic event. With proper counseling, these women go on to live psychologically healthy lives. If they do not recover it is most likely that there are other issues in their lives that they have not resolved.

I can understand the trauma from rape, but why from abortion if it isn't a traumatic event? And if it is such a traumatic event, then why is that fact not presented as a possible side effect of abortion? And these post abortion effects are not small things either! I have posted data from gvernmetn studies on a previous thread this summer listing the horrendous side effects. I will try to repost.

Originally Posted by HelenLCSW

Well, your dear friend, Brenda, has a religiously biased view, yes. I am not disputing it, just calling it out.

So becausshe is a Christian, her facts cannot be considered truth?

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Why is it that 90+ % of Planned Parenthood facilities are located in poverty and low income and black communities?

because that is the population most in need of their services and the rent is low? All social service agencies have a presence in low income communities.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

I can understand the trauma from rape, but why from abortion if it isn't a traumatic event? And if it is such a traumatic event, then why is that fact not presented as a possible side effect of abortion? And these post abortion effects are not small things either! I have posted data from gvernmetn studies on a previous thread this summer listing the horrendous side effects. I will try to repost.

Abortion is presented as a traumatic event. I do agree that more appropriate counseling needs to be provided to patients -- but unbiased, psychological advice, not religion based.

Originally Posted by HelenLCSW

Abortion is presented as a traumatic event. I do agree that more appropriate counseling needs to be provided to patients -- but unbiased, psychological advice, not religion based.

You see, Katz -- there are two things we agree on-- lol

Originally Posted by HelenLCSW

because that is the population most in need of their services and the rent is low? All social service agencies have a presence in low income communities.

Seems a coincidence that the same neighborhoods being served the most by PP today are the same neighborhoods where Margaret Sanger aimed to practice her black genocide and eradication of lower intelligence populations...

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

So becausshe is a Christian, her facts cannot be considered truth?

If she is expressing a religious point of view that is opinion, not fact -- she certainly has the right to express her opinion, but let's not interpret that as fact.