Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Gee, I would have thought that it would be 9 in 10.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...96-503544.html

3 out of 10 are not of this world.

One of the best charts I have seen:

http://minx.cc/?post=322086

...would John McCain have done any better?

McCain, had he been elected, would have faced two years of a Democratic Congress. Almost certainly the same backbiting, nasty, ideological stalemate would have resulted with even less legislation than Obama was able to get passed. Even now, McCain would have a Republican House on his side, but he's still be checkmated by the Democratic Senate.

Fiscally things might even be worse because whatever sorts of stimulus legislation McCain might have come up with would almost certainly not have been passed. That would have resulted in even more disastrous economic conditions, higher unemployment and lowered confidence and expectations by both employers and employees than we're seeing now.

From a military point-of-view, we would almost certainly still be operating at elevated troop levels in both Iraq and Afghanistan, if not even more places in the world. Continued and expanded use of our military was a fundamental plank in the McCain campaign.

I think the conclusion to be reached here is that our system of government is broken. It makes little difference who the President is when the Congress is so hogtied by ideology that no decisions for the good of the country are being made. We simply don't have an operating government right now, and we haven't had one for some time.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

...would John McCain have done any better?

McCain, had he been elected, would have faced two years of a Democratic Congress. Almost certainly the same backbiting, nasty, ideological stalemate would have resulted with even less legislation than Obama was able to get passed. Even now, McCain would have a Republican House on his side, but he's still be checkmated by the Democratic Senate.

Fiscally things might even be worse because whatever sorts of stimulus legislation McCain might have come up with would almost certainly not have been passed. That would have resulted in even more disastrous economic conditions, higher unemployment and lowered confidence and expectations by both employers and employees than we're seeing now.

From a military point-of-view, we would almost certainly still be operating at elevated troop levels in both Iraq and Afghanistan, if not even more places in the world. Continued and expanded use of our military was a fundamental plank in the McCain campaign.

I think the conclusion to be reached here is that our system of government is broken. It makes little difference who the President is when the Congress is so hogtied by ideology that no decisions for the good of the country are being made. We simply don't have an operating government right now, and we haven't had one for some time.

One big difference, McCain would not have pushed ObamaCare down our throats scaring the daylights out of businesses.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

One big difference, McCain would not have pushed ObamaCare down our throats scaring the daylights out of businesses.

Besides the absence of the hated ObamaCare scheme being shoved down the throat of America in the dark of the night, I don't believe McCain would have doubled down on the "stimulus"; or boxed in our energy producers, while also expanding business choking federal regulations, and at the same time promising future tax hikes on business like Obama has done, either. All of which has strangled our economy.

It's strange to be trying to guess what would have happened in another time line. I always did like science fiction, though.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

One big difference, McCain would not have pushed ObamaCare down our throats scaring the daylights out of businesses.

Naw....he would just have started another war or two.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Naw....he would just have started another war or two.

Like Libya?

Originally Posted by BlueHeronFan

Since you said, "he has helped in many other ways."

Since you used "many".

Please provide 3 examples. Not opinions. EXAMPLES!

thanks

1. Dow is hovering around 11,000. Day Obama was sworn in it was ~8600.
2. Osama Bin Laden is no longer with us. 8 years, Bush couldn't find him.
3. Expanded stem cell research.

And, in case you might have missed it.......

* Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts
* Eliminated co-payments for veterans who are catastrophically disabled
* Instituted enforcements for equal pay for women
* Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees
* Elena Kagen appointed to Supreme Court
* Increased funding available for student loans
* Launched “Educate to Innovate,” a public/private partnership making $236 million available for science, mathematics, and technology education programs
* Sonia Sotomayor appointed to the Supreme Court

..... and many, many more.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

...would John McCain have done any better?

McCain, had he been elected, would have faced two years of a Democratic Congress. Almost certainly the same backbiting, nasty, ideological stalemate would have resulted with even less legislation than Obama was able to get passed. Even now, McCain would have a Republican House on his side, but he's still be checkmated by the Democratic Senate.

Fiscally things might even be worse because whatever sorts of stimulus legislation McCain might have come up with would almost certainly not have been passed. That would have resulted in even more disastrous economic conditions, higher unemployment and lowered confidence and expectations by both employers and employees than we're seeing now.

From a military point-of-view, we would almost certainly still be operating at elevated troop levels in both Iraq and Afghanistan, if not even more places in the world. Continued and expanded use of our military was a fundamental plank in the McCain campaign.

I think the conclusion to be reached here is that our system of government is broken. It makes little difference who the President is when the Congress is so hogtied by ideology that no decisions for the good of the country are being made. We simply don't have an operating government right now, and we haven't had one for some time.

VK In all due respect most times you reason well but for all the reasons cited previously by others I beleive your premise here is flawed. Beside I believe Obama's foreign policies are going to come back to haunt us. For example while I appauld his use of drones I believe we would have learned valuable information from high profiles like bin laden and anwar al- Awlaki had we captured rather than killed them that would have yielded greater benefits .
You and others may well disagree with my comments and I would understand

Originally Posted by coralway

1. Dow is hovering around 11,000. Day Obama was sworn in it was ~8600.
2. Osama Bin Laden is no longer with us. 8 years, Bush couldn't find him.
3. Expanded stem cell research.

And, in case you might have missed it.......

* Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts
* Eliminated co-payments for veterans who are catastrophically disabled
* Instituted enforcements for equal pay for women
* Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees
* Elena Kagen appointed to Supreme Court
* Increased funding available for student loans
* Launched “Educate to Innovate,” a public/private partnership making $236 million available for science, mathematics, and technology education programs
* Sonia Sotomayor appointed to the Supreme Court

..... and many, many more.

That should get "their" ire up. Thanks.

Originally Posted by coralway

1. Dow is hovering around 11,000. Day Obama was sworn in it was ~8600.
2. Osama Bin Laden is no longer with us. 8 years, Bush couldn't find him.
3. Expanded stem cell research.

And, in case you might have missed it.......

* Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts
* Eliminated co-payments for veterans who are catastrophically disabled
* Instituted enforcements for equal pay for women
* Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees
* Elena Kagen appointed to Supreme Court
* Increased funding available for student loans
* Launched “Educate to Innovate,” a public/private partnership making $236 million available for science, mathematics, and technology education programs
* Sonia Sotomayor appointed to the Supreme Court

..... and many, many more.

You call those achievements?

and please add the following to the list:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...attack-liberty

And then calculate for me how the total list adds up to how many of his promises made in 2007. And then please provide the impact each of the list has made on the economy and creating new jobs....and energy independence>

I anxiously await the revelation(s).

btk