Originally Posted by njbchbum

janmcn - if indeed that supreme court decision should come to pass, can't the congress - just as quickly - pass legislation that will maintain those "good" protections so that they are not lost? after all, the legislation should be shorter to write and to read!!!

Not this Congress.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

janmcn - if indeed that supreme court decision should come to pass, can't the congress - just as quickly - pass legislation that will maintain those "good" protections so that they are not lost? after all, the legislation should be shorter to write and to read!!!

It's laughable to think that the Republican majority house would pass anything quickly related to the Affordable Care Act, which took a year to pass. After all, they overwhelmingly voted for the Ryan Budget which replaces Medicare with a voucher system.

The voucher system replacing Medicare is certainly not a good idea. True, it does not affect current seniors but those in their 30's and 40's are the ones going to be hurt by that idea.


The poster's idea that Pres. Obama used blackmail for votes and created secret deals with drug manufacturers is not right. The "blackmail for votes" and the "secret deals" are part of the negotiations (horsetrading) that go on with passing laws. You scratch my back, I scratch your back has been going on in every single administration and is part of what is called "compromise".

Originally Posted by buggyone

The voucher system replacing Medicare is certainly not a good idea. True, it does not affect current seniors but those in their 30's and 40's are the ones going to be hurt by that idea.


The poster's idea that Pres. Obama used blackmail for votes and created secret deals with drug manufacturers is not right. The "blackmail for votes" and the "secret deals" are part of the negotiations (horsetrading) that go on with passing laws. You scratch my back, I scratch your back has been going on in every single administration and is part of what is called "compromise".

It does NOT go on in transparent government which this man PROMISED as a cornerstone, not just a slight remark...A CORNERSTONE of his administration. And I dont think blackmail is normally part of such a "landmark" piece of legislation at all. Horse trading is one thing....behind close doors blackmail is another...see the votes from LA and I SCAR.

The biggest thing is that he did this all secretly and DID NOT EVEN ADDRESS THE ISSUES HE WAS TO ADDRESS...NOT EVEN CLOSE.

This is one issue that he got my attention during the campaign...lower health costs, tort reform, etc all done in an open and honest way. HE DID NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS...NONE. He lied and you folks will not hold him responsible...that to me, is amazing.

Originally Posted by janmcn

The Supreme Court will announce it's decision next month on whether the Affordable Care Act will continue or not. If it is overturned, a lot of people will lose their benefits immediately, such as seniors paying less for meds, young people not being allowed to stay on their parents plans until age 26, people being discriminated against for pre-existing conditions, and people being denied coverage.

I think it's a winning issue either way for President Obama. If it's overturned, he can say I tried my best to pass this, and if reelected I will try for universal health care for all, which would not be unconstitutional. There is a reason why Obama wanted this case decided before the election, when it could have been deferred until next year.

You know what...in a way you are correct.

NOW, let us aim the anger at the right place. Who passed this huge boondoggle ? Who did it against the wishes of the American Public ? Who passed a bill not even resembling what he said it would be ?

So who should receive the anger.....OBAMA and him alone. He caused this not only to be such a mess...and the costs continue to rise....and nothing STILL HAS BEEN DONE ABOUT HEALTH COSTS, TORT REFORM, ETC...NOTHING and who was warned consistently about the single payer

The anger if there is any should be placed at the WH. They put those poor people in this situtation...they could have avoided it, but did not. They insisted that we would love it once we read it or they read it or whatever.

There is only one place for this blame......the Obama administration and nobody else. HAD he not lied, none of this is facing us...had he not lied, we would not have such a mess facing us, both with health care but THERE IS A REASON THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NOT PASSED A BUDGET.....IT is the healthcare bill.....when folks see what this will cost the country....they will be even more angry than they should be now.

Tell me how this is not totally and 100% Obama's fault...completely and all !

We STILL AFTER ALL OF THIS need health care reform..health costs are on the rise and we STILL HAVE TO ADDRESS IT because he did not.

Originally Posted by janmcn

It's laughable to think that the Republican majority house would pass anything quickly related to the Affordable Care Act, which took a year to pass. After all, they overwhelmingly voted for the Ryan Budget which replaces Medicare with a voucher system.

I have a question for you. There are almost 300 (THREE HUNDRED BILLS) passed by the house that the Senate will not even discuss or allow to be voted on......Why do you think that is ? Over 30 of the are designed to create JOBS....why wont they even let them see the light of day ?

BUDGET ? This country, because of and 100% because of the SENATE has had NO budget whatsoever.....know why...when you see what has to be done as a result of the single largest discretionary spender of all presidents of all time !

Originally Posted by Bucco

I have a question for you. There are almost 300 (THREE HUNDRED BILLS) passed by the house that the Senate will not even discuss or allow to be voted on......Why do you think that is ? Over 30 of the are designed to create JOBS....why wont they even let them see the light of day ?

BUDGET ? This country, because of and 100% because of the SENATE has had NO budget whatsoever.....know why...when you see what has to be done as a result of the single largest discretionary spender of all presidents of all time !

This might come as a shock, but I'm not privy to the goings on in the Senate. Harry Reid doesn't seek my council about what bills to bring up for a vote, so I can't answer your question.

Here's a question for you. Who was the last Republican President to present a balanced budget? Ding, ding, ding, Richard Nixon in 1969

Originally Posted by janmcn

This might come as a shock, but I'm not privy to the goings on in the Senate. Harry Reid doesn't seek my council about what bills to bring up for a vote, so I can't answer your question.

Here's a question for you. Who was the last Republican President to present a balanced budget? Ding, ding, ding, Richard Nixon in 1969

Not sure I understand either of your points.

YOU criticized the House, but walk away from the Senate because "I'm not privy to the goings on in the Senate. Harry Reid doesn't seek my council about what bills to bring up for a vote, so I can't answer your question."

Thus you must be privy to the house....so what is there that you have been advised is so bad. They pass budgets, the send bills on as required in the constitution.......wont ask you about the Senate because...well, you dont know BUT you do know about the House.

Both suck in my opinion but you seem only interested in the house...must be a reason for that..oh, yeah that body you imply you know something about versus the senate.

Yeah, not going to check on the last budget balanced because I dont care....that is history and my interest is NOW. And while our budget is neither balanced or unbalanced because we don"t have one

Back to the health care bill...

"The Supreme Court hasn’t yet rendered its verdict on Obamacare, but the nation’s doctors have. And they think it will wreck America’s health care system.

The latest evidence comes from a new survey of young doctors by the Physicians Foundation. Nearly 60 percent of doctors aged 40 and under are pessimistic about the future of American health care. Just 22 percent are optimistic."

A few things from this article...

".....The number-one reason doctors cited for their pessimism? Obamacare, which was singled out by more than a third. Add in related concerns — like distrust of government to do the right thing and the feeling that government intervention hurts patient care — and the docs’ hostility to Obamacare becomes even more intense."

".....These findings line up with an earlier survey of doctors by consulting firm Deloitte, which found that two-thirds of all doctors expect the quality of health care to decline under Obama- care."

".....Physician pessimism is understandable, as Obama- care’s promises are crumbling even before the law takes full effect.

For example, Americans were promised repeatedly that they could keep their insurance if they liked it. But the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) now admits that as many as 20 million people could lose their employer-provided coverage and have to buy insurance on government-run exchanges."

AND THIS IS A BIG ONE...

".....Obamacare was also supposed to bend the health care cost curve down, but the government now estimates that it will add more than $300 billion to the nation’s health tab over the next decade. According to the CBO, the cost of the law over the decade commencing in 2010 has risen to $1.76 trillion — almost double the original estimate of $940 billion."

Obamacare diagnosed as quackery - BostonHerald.com