Originally Posted by cologal

Bush was NOT right about privatizing SS and the crash of October has shown everyone that!!!

But as usual no one wants to answer the question.....when fronted you all deflect. Time and Time again

Bush's idea was and still is good. He was talking about putting just a small percentage of the 15% that we contribute with the employer to SS. The market goes up and down but it has steadily risen alot in the last 15 years or so. If the SS collapses under the weight of 78 million baby boomers, the money that was put in your private account will still be there.
But in your case, Cologal.....I bet if Obama suggested it or anyone with a "D" after his name suggested it....you would think it was a great idea...right?

I would loved to have had the opportunity to invest my money the way I wanted to. I think I could have done better than the government.

Originally Posted by cologal

bush was not right about privatizing ss and the crash of october has shown everyone that!!!

But as usual no one wants to answer the question.....when fronted you all deflect. Time and time again

what is the question ??????

Did or does it concern the cap and trade bill ?

and then mis-statements made inferring the intents of my words.

I did not say the man (Obama) was like Hitler (cologal did). I said the man has the same traits.

Per Keedy (thank you) I meant his demise (not the killing of Jews et al as completely mis-stated by cologal).

I firmly believe it is everyone's right to back their man or party or what ever tickles their fancy. I also believe we can all disagree and make commentary good or bad about them without being subjected to snide remarks and sniping or as empty and hollow as school yard bantor.

Debate? yes. Argue? OK for some. Disagree? Yes, that results in progress for most thinking beings. Stand and be counted? Absolutely. Blind, bobble head acceptance of anything? Absolutely not (right or wrong).

I still wonder in amazement why it was/is OK for these individuals to ask questions, disagree with the opposition or make snide remarks.....but not allowed for anyone else, not blindly following?

btk

Originally Posted by Keedy

Don't throw your hankies out. The way the Community Activist in Chief's ratings are diving....hopefully in 2010 you will need them again.

Did they move the Presidential election?

Originally Posted by cologal

Did they move the Presidential election?

The democrats could lose power in 2010. You know what I meant, right?

Originally Posted by Keedy

Bush's idea was and still is good. He was talking about putting just a small percentage of the 15% that we contribute with the employer to SS. The market goes up and down but it has steadily risen alot in the last 15 years or so. If the SS collapses under the weight of 78 million baby boomer's, the money that was put in your private account will still be there.
But in your case, Cologal.....I bet if Obama suggested it or anyone with a "D" after his name suggested it....you would think it was a great idea...right?

First:

the money that was put in your private account will still be there.

Be serious....most everyone lost 15-25% on all investments.

Actually, in this case, that would be a big NO. My childhood experiences have made me very leary of the Stock Market. For the "investor" it is much like going to Vegas. The people who make money are the dealers and the house. Just look at things now.....the big investment firms got bailed out, received their expect bonuses and now are showing big profits. Not so in my 401k.

This is history about 401K pension plans in Nebraska...they were touted has being the answer and now years later they are in the dustbid.

The only ones who would have benefited by this plans was Wall Street.

Originally Posted by Keedy

The democrats could lose power in 2010. You know what I meant, right?

I like the word COULD.....

Originally Posted by Bucco

what is the question ??????

Did or does it concern the cap and trade bill ?

Nope...it concerns the post which compared Obama to Hitler. So I asked this:

And what do you mean by this:

The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.

If Obama follows the history you claim then we will have a world war and 6 million Jews and other undesirables gassed and then a burned body in a courtyard. Is that the history you meant?

Is that the history?

Originally Posted by cologal

Nope...it concerns the post which compared Obama to Hitler. So I asked this:

And what do you mean by this:

The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.

If Obama follows the history you claim then we will have a world war and 6 million Jews and other undesirables gassed and then a burned body in a courtyard. Is that the history you meant?

Is that the history?

The post obviously was speaking to the habit of our President making so many speeches with little substance....seems it was YOU, AND ONLY YOU who added all the other hate tripe !

Originally Posted by Bucco

The post obviously was speaking to the habit of our President making so many speeches with little substance....seems it was YOU, AND ONLY YOU who added all the other hate tripe !

No.... read the original post. But I will copy it here for you: to help you I will bold the bad parts



There was a very well spoken politician in Europe during

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the late 30's and early 40's who did that very thing.
And he thought he was the messiah.

Self induced...self proclaimed....gobbled up by we the people (them at the time)

like too many here today!
The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.


I only asked if the poster believed Obama would follow that history which I provided. No hate speech at all. Only the history of that politician and his end result.

Originally Posted by cologal

No.... read the original post. But I will copy it here for you: to help you I will bold the bad parts



There was a very well spoken politician in Europe during

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the late 30's and early 40's who did that very thing.
And he thought he was the messiah.

Self induced...self proclaimed....gobbled up by we the people (them at the time)

like too many here today!
The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.


I only asked if the poster believed Obama would follow that history which I provided. No hate speech at all. Only the history of that politician and his end result.

I don't know why Bucco tries to explain things to you...everybody else gets it . He meant his time in power was short. He hopes Obama only serves one term.

Originally Posted by cologal

First:

the money that was put in your private account will still be there.

Be serious....most everyone lost 15-25% on all investments.

Actually, in this case, that would be a big NO. My childhood experiences have made me very leary of the Stock Market. For the "investor" it is much like going to Vegas. The people who make money are the dealers and the house. Just look at things now.....the big investment firms got bailed out, received their expect bonuses and now are showing big profits. Not so in my 401k.

This is history about 401K pension plans in Nebraska...they were touted has being the answer and now years later they are in the dustbid.

The only ones who would have benefited by this plans was Wall Street.

There are big gains and big loses. When I got laid off I transferred all my money to an IRA. I have the choice to diversify my money to what I want. A certain percentage goes to safe investments and a certain amount goes to higher risk. It is my money and I can put it in stocks or bonds or equities or CD's if I'm really worried about the market. When you put 15% of all your money(you and employer) into SS and it goes under...you screwed. With the weight of 78 million baby boomers about to collect...what makes you so sure you will get what you think you will get. If they do means evaluations...you monthly payments could decrease significantly.
Oh, by the way, you can blame the democrats for dipping into the SS. Johnson needed the money to fund his Great Society and his War on Poverty. Also, the Kennedy-Johnson Vietnam war was funded through SS too.

comparing Obama to Hitler. You may choose to interpret it that way but that is not what it said. Repeating....Obama has many of the traits of the leader at that time. You decided to do a media take on it and make a banquet out of a ham sandwich!

And once again, the following history comment had nothing to do with, was not intended to do with, was not even in the thought process i.e. your conclusion/question regarding the elimination of Jews and other undesirables.

We know you know what was intended. Apparently your contrarian predisposition, constantly obligates you to look at the black side (no pun intended!!) or negative aspects only.

I normally do not play the one on one game on the forum, but do not care to let an incorrect statement be made about what I said.

You must have missed my previous post on the same subject to go at the very same issues with Bucco again. We call that pokin' the badger with a stick....sometimes also know as not giving a .

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

comparing Obama to Hitler. You may choose to interpret it that way but that is not what it said. Repeating....Obama has many of the traits of the leader at that time. You decided to do a media take on it and make a banquet out of a ham sandwich!

And once again, the following history comment had nothing to do with, was not intended to do with, was not even in the thought process i.e. your conclusion/question regarding the elimination of Jews and other undesirables.

We know you know what was intended. Apparently your contrarian predisposition, constantly obligates you to look at the black side (no pun intended!!) or negative aspects only.

I normally do not play the one on one game on the forum, but do not care to let an incorrect statement be made about what I said.

You must have missed my previous post on the same subject to go at the very same issues with Bucco again. We call that pokin' the badger with a stick....sometimes also know as not giving a .

btk

Comparing anyone to Hitler is a very dangerous game. That was my point