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Please,please those salaries absolutely,definitely take into account the degrees earned plus years of service. They are not base salaries. Teachers in R.I. start at $33,815. That is their base salary.

No, Waynet, I'm sorry you may have misunderstood. Those salary figures are not beginning step pay numbers, but the average high school teacher salaries at Central High School according to the school's superintendent. According to super. Supt. Frances Gallo in a Providence Journal article, "The average teacher’s salary at the high school ranges between $72,000 and $78,000 a year, because most are at the district’s top step . Union officials have been pushing for $90 per hour and want the district to pay for more of the additional responsibilities."

So WAYNET....can I assume that you support the President's backing of and supporting with legislation unions ?

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

No, Waynet, I'm sorry you may have misunderstood. Those salary figures are not beginning step pay numbers, but the average high school teacher salaries at Central High School according to the school's superintendent. According to super. Supt. Frances Gallo in a Providence Journal article, "The average teacher’s salary at the high school ranges between $72,000 and $78,000 a year, because most are at the district’s top step . Union officials have been pushing for $90 per hour and want the district to pay for more of the additional responsibilities."

Unbelievable.. It used to an honorable job for average money and good perks. Now it is great money and great perks and no heavy lifting.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

No, Waynet, I'm sorry you may have misunderstood. Those salary figures are not beginning step pay numbers, but the average high school teacher salaries at Central High School according to the school's superintendent. According to super. Supt. Frances Gallo in a Providence Journal article, "The average teacher’s salary at the high school ranges between $72,000 and $78,000 a year, because most are at the district’s top step . Union officials have been pushing for $90 per hour and want the district to pay for more of the additional responsibilities."

This is another "bubble" that will soon burst.

Originally Posted by rshoffer

This is another "bubble" that will soon burst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQVK-...ayer_embedded#
It sure is. How would you like to retire at 75-80% of your average of the last 4 years on the job? Illinois "teachers" are costing their state Billions every year.
Average Social Security is what $14,000? How about 80% of $70,000? Many teachers will get 50-$60,000 dollars a year to live on. Pension funds will not cover it so the taxpayers will?

Donna'I can only speak for Connecticut but I am fairly sure that all states operate the same way with minor differences. Connecticut is 70% of top 3 years. Here is the point that your message neglects to point out.TEACHERS PAY INTO THEIR OWN RETIREMENTS SEPERATE FROM OTHER STATE ACCOUNTS. As a matter of fact we recently had to enact a state amendment to protect our account because the state kept borrowing money form it and not paying it back. So,after 35 years of teaching a CT. teacher gets about $56,000. Is that so bad? Anyone who says we cost states billions of dollars just does not know what they are talking about.
Why is it that anytime we have bad economic times the teachers are the first group blamed?
By the way,at least in CT.most of us also have to pay our own health insurance out of this pension. For me and my wife that's $14,000 per year.
Also in CT even if we have accumulated the necessary credits to collect social security we BY LAW CANNOT. That's right we pay in and get NOTHING out so our retirement is all we have.

Originally Posted by waynet

Donna'I can only speak for Connecticut but I am fairly sure that all states operate the same way with minor differences. Connecticut is 70% of top 3 years. Here is the point that your message neglects to point out.TEACHERS PAY INTO THEIR OWN RETIREMENTS SEPERATE FROM OTHER STATE ACCOUNTS. As a matter of fact we recently had to enact a state amendment to protect our account because the state kept borrowing money form it and not paying it back. So,after 35 years of teaching a CT. teacher gets about $56,000. Is that so bad? Anyone who says we cost states billions of dollars just does not know what they are talking about.
Why is it that anytime we have bad economic times the teachers are the first group blamed?
By the way,at least in CT.most of us also have to pay our own health insurance out of this pension. For me and my wife that's $14,000 per year.
Also in CT even if we have accumulated the necessary credits to collect social security we BY LAW CANNOT. That's right we pay in and get NOTHING out so our retirement is all we have.

$56,000 is 4 times what the average SS recipient gets. You think teachers are more deserving then most people? Pensions are dried up most places. Taxpayers will have to pay?

Originally Posted by Donna2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQVK-...ayer_embedded#
It sure is. How would you like to retire at 75-80% of your average of the last 4 years on the job? Illinois "teachers" are costing their state Billions every year.
Average Social Security is what $14,000? How about 80% of $70,000? Many teachers will get 50-$60,000 dollars a year to live on. Pension funds will not cover it so the taxpayers will?

Actually..... they wont.... and that is why the bubble will burst. There was recently a review of towns/cities that are facing certain bankruptcy, in part due to unsustainable pensions, education costs, prison costs etc. Here is the rub: raising taxes to cover ever rising costs has resulted in a mass exodus where residents simply can't/wont be extorted any longer. The result-->even LESS revenue coming in to cover the costs. POP--the bubble has burst.

Donna, I will write this again....Teachers pay in to their own retirement at 6% per year. This money is then invested. It is out of this investment that teachers retirement is paid. The cost of teachers pensions to the state is ZERO.
I don't know why you insist on comparing pension plans to S.Security. There is none.
Maybe instead of worrying about teachers you should look at WAll Street.

Unions, Unions, Unions the death of America.

Originally Posted by waynet

Donna, I will write this again....Teachers pay in to their own retirement at 6% per year. This money is then invested. It is out of this investment that teachers retirement is paid. The cost of teachers pensions to the state is ZERO.
I don't know why you insist on comparing pension plans to S.Security. There is none.
Maybe instead of worrying about teachers you should look at WAll Street.

And I'm telling to again that the pension money is underwater and they expect the taxpayer to pay. Teacher's money is paid by the taxpayers. When you win the million dollar lottery in this state, they give you $50,000 a year before taxes for 20 years. Are you telling me that you have over 1 million in your pension account under your name? So, everybody who became a teacher hit the lottery? Why should social security people eat dog food while the teachers eat filet mignon? After all, all the money originally came from the taxpayers.

You really dont get it do you. The public did pay my salary that part is true.However again for the last time I will tell you. I put in 6% of my salary toward my retirement for 35 years as did every teacher in CT. Thats my money, out of my salary ,not the public. That money is invested and most years has made a profit. The CT fund is upwards of 3 billion dollars and that is where my filet mignon comes from not the public,not the gov't,not you.
How you can begrudge me my well earned pension after working 35 years? That really upsets me. 35 years of teaching B.S. degree,Masters degree,6th year degree all paid for by me to become a better teacher. Why are you so jealous of my pension? I earned it!

Originally Posted by waynet

You really dont get it do you. The public did pay my salary that part is true.However again for the last time I will tell you. I put in 6% of my salary toward my retirement for 35 years as did every teacher in CT. Thats my money, out of my salary ,not the public. That money is invested and most years has made a profit. The CT fund is upwards of 3 billion dollars and that is where my filet mignon comes from not the public,not the gov't,not you.
How you can begrudge me my well earned pension after working 35 years? That really upsets me. 35 years of teaching B.S. degree,Masters degree,6th year degree all paid for by me to become a better teacher. Why are you so jealous of my pension? I earned it!

You did NOT contribute to Social Security and I did...BUT Social Security is handled just a bit differently !

Is that correct ? You talk as if you did something special...you did contribute to YOUR pension plan...lucky you....I contributed to Social Security and you did not !

That is one question, ie. you didnt contribute to Social Security ? Second one is..you talk as if NO public funds were used for your pension...is that what you are saying ?