Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Yes, and Obama's is tanking more every day. Let us hope that is is indeed a one term president. Carter was one term and Obama is always compared to him.

Polls say Obama beats Perry 49-43. We shall see.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Polls say Obama beats Perry 49-43. We shall see.

The polls I seen were much closer.

Perry and Obama tied, at this point by Gallup.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/149114/Ob...t-so-much-bush

Why do we continue to create long threads such as this? My guess is that every poster in this thread has made up his or her mind on who they'll vote for--or who they won't vote for--in 2012. At the same time Barack Obama will be our President until he's either voted out of office or re-elected.

That being the case, the U. S. will have the same President for at least the next year and possibly for five more years. Whatever happens will be the result of democratic elections. If we really believe in our system of government, is it right for people who's candidate loses a free election to run down and attempt to weaken the person who the majority chooses?

It seems to me that such an attitude, such actions, are not in the best interests of our country.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

If we really believe in our system of government, is it right for people who's candidate loses a free election to run down and attempt to weaken the person who the majority chooses?

It seems to me that such an attitude, such actions, are not in the best interests of our country.

Is it in the best interests of the country to support a President who doesn't have the "best interests of the country" as his agenda?

For the longest time the voting majority of this country didn't want to give voting rights to women, or human rights to African-Americans. Should we have acquiesced to the judgement of the majority then?

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Why do we continue to create long threads such as this? My guess is that every poster in this thread has made up his or her mind on who they'll vote for--or who they won't vote for--in 2012. At the same time Barack Obama will be our President until he's either voted out of office or re-elected.

That being the case, the U. S. will have the same President for at least the next year and possibly for five more years. Whatever happens will be the result of democratic elections. If we really believe in our system of government, is it right for people who's candidate loses a free election to run down and attempt to weaken the person who the majority chooses?

It seems to me that such an attitude, such actions, are not in the best interests of our country.

You, sir, are to be commended. Many posters, including myself, should take your words to heart.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Why do we continue to create long threads such as this?

It's just a way of exchanging opinions, like having a beer at the Pub. Better than talking about sports. I enjoy the political banter and learn a lot from the exhanges.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Why do we continue to create long threads such as this? My guess is that every poster in this thread has made up his or her mind on who they'll vote for--or who they won't vote for--in 2012. At the same time Barack Obama will be our President until he's either voted out of office or re-elected.

That being the case, the U. S. will have the same President for at least the next year and possibly for five more years. Whatever happens will be the result of democratic elections. If we really believe in our system of government, is it right for people who's candidate loses a free election to run down and attempt to weaken the person who the majority chooses?

It seems to me that such an attitude, such actions, are not in the best interests of our country.

I do understand the point that is being made here and in most cases i would concur. However, Obama's policies are so over the top and so far left that the majority of Americans have a right to react and rebel. For example how do you expect taxpayers to act when Admin officials tell you with a straight face that for every $1.00 spent on food stamps it will returns $1.84, This is a portion of Obama's redistribution agenda. If Obama's right then he just found a way to reduce the debt..simply put everyone in America on food stamps. How should taxpayers react when Obama continues to push for the VAT tax as a way to reduce the debt. Europeans are now running double digits % in VAT plus income, property, etc taxes. All VAT will do is increase spending. Keep in mind that the VAT tax applies everytime value is increased in a product

So to say that we need to get behind Obama with policies like the above and others such as ObamaCare is simply counter-intuitive. Taxpayers would do right to get this guy out of office in 2012

Originally Posted by rubicon

I do understand the point that is being made here and in most cases i would concur. However, Obama's policies are so over the top and so far left that the majority of Americans have a right to react and rebel. For example how do you expect taxpayers to act when Admin officials tell you with a straight face that for every $1.00 spent on food stamps it will returns $1.84, This is a portion of Obama's redistribution agenda. If Obama's right then he just found a way to reduce the debt..simply put everyone in America on food stamps. How should taxpayers react when Obama continues to push for the VAT tax as a way to reduce the debt. Europeans are now running double digits % in VAT plus income, property, etc taxes. All VAT will do is increase spending. Keep in mind that the VAT tax applies everytime value is increased in a product

So to say that we need to get behind Obama with policies like the above and others such as ObamaCare is simply counter-intuitive. Taxpayers would do right to get this guy out of office in 2012

Oh Rubicon, you are so mean spirited and hateful, surely you must be a racist. LOL Only kidding. I wish I could write so sincerely as you do. Sometimes my passion is mistaken for harshness.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Oh Rubicon, you are so mean spirited and hateful, surely you must be a racist. LOL Only kidding. I wish I could write so sincerely as you do. Sometimes my passion is mistaken for harshness.

What I don't understand is why folks want to bring up race. Not mentioning any names, but "someone" keep accusing others of doing just this.

Don't know . . . I just saying.

Originally Posted by memason

What I don't understand is why folks want to bring up race. Not mentioning any names, but "someone" keep accusing others of doing just this.

Don't know . . . I just saying.

Gee almighty, cannot a person joke around here? Besides my post was directed jokingly to Rubicon.

But yes, I agree that race is a used as a comeback when one doesn't have an explanation or defense for some people's actions.
I think your accusation is a stretch, at best, but keep up the vigilance, we appreciate it.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

For the longest time the voting majority of this country didn't want to give voting rights to women, or human rights to African-Americans. Should we have acquiesced to the judgement of the majority then?

Salut!

Richie and Plong -

In reference to Richie's post, "For the longest time the voting majority of this country didn't want to give voting rights to women, or human rights to African-Americans. Should we have acquiesced to the judgement of the majority then?

The Founding Fathers of the USA did not include either civil rights to African-Americans or voting to women in the Constitution. It was not in the Bill of Rights, either. The uber-conservatives are always quoting things from the Founding Fathers like they were gospel but lots of their ideas left entire groups of citizens out of the picture.

It was the "liberals" who fought for civil rights and women's right to vote - not the uber-conservatives.

I am glad to see that RichieLion has seen the light and is coming over from the Dark Side.

Republicans freed the slaves.

I did not say Democrat or Republican. I said liberal.

Personally, I would call Abraham Lincoln a liberal. Lincoln was not one of the Framers of the Constitution either.

Village Golfer - you are most welcome to the side of the liberals. Come over from the Dark Side and join me, Dale, Waynet, and RichieLion.