Originally Posted by Guest

Of course he has had an effect on the economy....

HE DAMPENS AND STIFLES any activity that results in capitalism progress and improvement.

And lest we not forget his impact on keeping the unemployed continuously paid for not working.....forever.

And the impressive, explosive growth in the number of people on food stamps.

Also his affordable care and the massive insurance premium increases that come along with it.

Change the definition of what constitutes unemployment.

Put 'em all in a bag a shake them up and out comes Obama's impact on the economy......more poverty.....more racism......increasing costs to live.....and of course more dependency on the government hand outs.

Yes....he certainly has had an effect.

Originally Posted by Guest

Sorry, but if you don't think this tyrant hasn't had detrimental effect on the economy, along with his cronies, then you can't blame Bush for the recession. That's simple enough.

Tell me where I blamed Bush for the recession. The only time "W" and the recession came up is, when people here started counting from day one of Obama's presidency the national debt increase, and putting it to Obama's shoulders. Even Hannity agreed, Obama's national debt clock started running on 10/1/09. You are going to tell me Hannity supports Obama.

Originally Posted by Guest

Of course he has had an effect on the economy....

HE DAMPENS AND STIFLES any activity that results in capitalism progress and improvement.

And lest we not forget his impact on keeping the unemployed continuously paid for not working.....forever.

And the impressive, explosive growth in the number of people on food stamps.

Also his affordable care and the massive insurance premium increases that come along with it.

Change the definition of what constitutes unemployment.

Put 'em all in a bag a shake them up and out comes Obama's impact on the economy......more poverty.....more racism......increasing costs to live.....and of course more dependency on the government hand outs.

Yes....he certainly has had an effect.

Your post sounds good, but it isn't support by facts.

Massive insurance premium increases, you might want to check that. Health insurance premiums have increased over the rate of inflation for the past 30+ years. The insurance coverage that our parents had is now considered Cadillac plans.

Receiving unemployment benefits for 99 weeks up from 52 weeks is considered forever.

The increase in food stamps is a direct result of the recession. The high paying production jobs have been shipped overseas. Taking a job at the minimum wage qualifies you for food stamps in most cases. Look this up, and you will see, who was receiving the benefit for foods stamps. The companies not paying their employees a living wage.

"HE DAMPENS AND STIFLES any activity that results in capitalism progress and improvement." I would love to see you back this up with facts.

Here is an article about the rate of health insurance premium increases.

How Quickly Are Health Insurance Premiums Rising?

You might want to note the paragraph that stated health insurance premiums were in the double digits in the late 80's, and early 2000's. Refresh my memory, who were the presidents during these periods.

Originally Posted by Guest

Your post sounds good, but it isn't support by facts.

Massive insurance premium increases, you might want to check that. Health insurance premiums have increased over the rate of inflation for the past 30+ years. The insurance coverage that our parents had is now considered Cadillac plans.

Receiving unemployment benefits for 99 weeks up from 52 weeks is considered forever.

The increase in food stamps is a direct result of the recession. The high paying production jobs have been shipped overseas. Taking a job at the minimum wage qualifies you for food stamps in most cases. Look this up, and you will see, who was receiving the benefit for foods stamps. The companies not paying their employees a living wage.

"HE DAMPENS AND STIFLES any activity that results in capitalism progress and improvement." I would love to see you back this up with facts.

Thanks for validating the commentary in a back handed sort of way.

To make you feel better let us resolve it with that famous old saying:

the second BSer has no original game or thought to play, hence much more BS required.....which obviously does not seem to be a problem!

Originally Posted by Guest

Here is an article about the rate of health insurance premium increases.

How Quickly Are Health Insurance Premiums Rising?

You might want to note the paragraph that stated health insurance premiums were in the double digits in the late 80's, and early 2000's. Refresh my memory, who were the presidents during these periods.

So, we are not supposed to hold Obama's broken promises accountable because of past presidents? So, what you are saying is that he CAN'T do anything about it. He is inept, right? He is a failure, right? You are the one making excuses for him, so just admit that he made promises he couldn't keep. Admit that Obamacare was something important enough that congress should have read it before passing it.

Originally Posted by Guest

Just got my health insurance premium notice for 2016. Up 32% from this year and nearly 90% for the past 3 years. Thanks goodness this is the "Affortable Health Care Act". Not sure I could afford the Unaffordable version. What this administration doesn't understand is I and others will cut back other goods and services which will have an adverse impact on the economy. If only I could print money like the government.

Just got my health insurance premium for 2016 and it decreased by 6%. My investment accounts have tripled in the last 6 years and none of my friends children have been killed in Iraq/Afghanistan. Fortunately, there have not been any ISIS attacks on American soil, just young white males shooting up movie theaters. So get a Netflix account, play some golf in The Villages and be thankful that we are living in greatest country on earth!

Originally Posted by Guest

Just got my health insurance premium for 2016 and it decreased by 6%. My investment accounts have tripled in the last 6 years and none of my friends children have been killed in Iraq/Afghanistan. Fortunately, there have not been any ISIS attacks on American soil, just young white males shooting up movie theaters. So get a Netflix account, play some golf in The Villages and be thankful that we are living in greatest country on earth!

OK that's one!

You forgot to mention that Obama had no impact on any of the incidents mentioned.

Yes it happened while he was POTUS. He did nothing to make it happen.

Originally Posted by Guest

Here is an article about the rate of health insurance premium increases.

How Quickly Are Health Insurance Premiums Rising?

You might want to note the paragraph that stated health insurance premiums were in the double digits in the late 80's, and early 2000's. Refresh my memory, who were the presidents during these periods.

Maybe when you have an hour or two you could enlighten us as to what the looking in the rear view mirror at 20 to 40 years ago has to do with what is happening today!!!!

I don't need "manipulated" stats to know that my health insurance has gone up over 20% since this president. And forget about blaming Bush, instead of Obamacare. I was told by my insurance that it was due to the new expanded coverage, and not only are they required to cover more procedures, but also have to cover more people that didn't qualify before (26 yr old adults). Funny how, I also lost some coverage due to the new requirements, such as P.E.T. scans for cancer patients, that was previously covered, but now NOT.

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't need "manipulated" stats to know that my health insurance has gone up over 20% since this president. And forget about blaming Bush, instead of Obamacare. I was told by my insurance that it was due to the new expanded coverage, and not only are they required to cover more procedures, but also have to cover more people that didn't qualify before (26 yr old adults). Funny how, I also lost some coverage due to the new requirements, such as P.E.T. scans for cancer patients, that was previously covered, but now NOT.

If your health insurance has on gone up 20% in the last six or seven years consider yourself lucky. The cost of healthcare has been increasing at a rapid pace for years. Compare a hospital stay cost ten years ago to today. Or even more dramatically so a surgical procedure. Insurance rates rise accordingly.

Originally Posted by Guest

If your health insurance has on gone up 20% in the last six or seven years consider yourself lucky. The cost of healthcare has been increasing at a rapid pace for years. Compare a hospital stay cost ten years ago to today. Or even more dramatically so a surgical procedure. Insurance rates rise accordingly.

Chi, my co-pay has gone up 50% in one year. My daughter's insurance deductible went up a thousand bucks in one year. I don't consider myself "lucky" when the point of Obama's promise with Obamacare was to lower the cost of health care. The fact is that it is now more expensive AND the gov is now demanding that you purchase a product or be punished for not buying it. The only people that made out are the lazy young adults that can ride on their parent's policy and the lazy that get medicaid that already had it available. Smart and logical proposals by the Republicans were ignored, such as tort reform and open market, across border insurance purchase. Those two ideas would have lowered the price of health care. But, Obama did not want to improve health care, he wanted it to fail so that it would be easier to provide gov mandated and controlled socialized medicine further down the line. Typical socialist and anarchist strategy, ruin something and then take control.

Originally Posted by Guest

Chi, my co-pay has gone up 50% in one year. My daughter's insurance deductible went up a thousand bucks in one year. I don't consider myself "lucky" when the point of Obama's promise with Obamacare was to lower the cost of health care. The fact is that it is now more expensive AND the gov is now demanding that you purchase a product or be punished for not buying it. The only people that made out are the lazy young adults that can ride on their parent's policy and the lazy that get medicaid that already had it available. Smart and logical proposals by the Republicans were ignored, such as tort reform and open market, across border insurance purchase. Those two ideas would have lowered the price of health care. But, Obama did not want to improve health care, he wanted it to fail so that it would be easier to provide gov mandated and controlled socialized medicine further down the line. Typical socialist and anarchist strategy, ruin something and then take control.

I understand your frustration and feel the same economic pain. My post was more about the cost of healthcare itself. I was an account manager for a large med/surg supply company and heard many times from the materials managers how supply costs were driving up hospital stays. In actuality, supply costs are only 10% of a hospital's budget. Factors such as labor and the physical plant weigh in a way higher percentage. But for years the cost of suppliers was the focal point.

Oniy lately has the emphasis shifted to implementing efficiencies and reducing redundancies to achieve cost reduction. We have a long way to go.