Originally Posted by janmcn

How does this policy help me personally? It probably doesn't, but it makes me feel good that these young people, who through no fault of their own do not have to live in constant fear of being deported to a country they have no connection to and may not even speak the language.



If I were Gary Morse, it would help me a great deal. I wouldn't have to worry about losing my entire concrete pouring crew on any given day. If I were Mitt Romney, I wouldn't have to worry about losing my lawn crew. Read this letter Romney wrote to his lawn crew as soon as he got the good news.
A Letter from Mitt Romney to his Former Gardener « Borowitz Report


Watch the president's speech again. He lays out the benefits much more eloquently than I can.

Obviously the link supplied concerning Gov Romney is not legitimate, but being passed off as a legitimate letter, and that speaks volumes about the administrators allowing such action as that.

This post is also the most racist, elitist post that I have ever seen on this forum and I ask the administrators to address that issue.

Originally Posted by janmcn

According to today's New York Times, "It is well within President Obama's authority to do so because the federal government can decide how to enforce immigration law". This action is not an executive order, but rather a cabinet-level directive.

Just guessing that the White House and The New York Times have better research resources than posters on this forum.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/op...=1&ref=opinion

When the president by passes congress (however inept) to force on this country something of this import as a political STUNT, and it is a stunt as he knows it will only last until after the election and he refuses to co operate with those trying to insure that all voters are legal....when something that serious happens it requires some serious voter repercussion and I sincerely believe that the US voters will make that happen in November.

Matters not if legal.....he has shown his inability to understand the meaning of leadership, character and that this country is not a toy to be used for his political gains.

Somebody needs to take a deep breath.....and relax a bit.

it seems that at a time when american youth are looking for work and low cost student loans, it would behoove the President to consider THEIR needs and not give them unwanted competition from young people here illegally. the tax funds used to help illegal immigrants would better serve our own students. and how does an illegal immigrant join our military? i think that is a dangerous policy.

"Today's announcement will be welcome news for many of these kids desperate for an answer,"

- Marco Rubio



Obama should do an end run around an incompetent, do-nothing Congress whenever he can to get things done.

Originally Posted by chachacha

it seems that at a time when american youth are looking for work and low cost student loans, it would behoove the President to consider THEIR needs and not give them unwanted competition from young people here illegally. the tax funds used to help illegal immigrants would better serve our own students. and how does an illegal immigrant join our military? i think that is a dangerous policy.

An inconvenient truth....

"The harsh summer job market for teens is compounded by this: The country has recovered only half the jobs lost from December 2007 through June 2009, the worst recession in 70 years.

Teens - often the last hired and first fired - suffered the toughest summers on the job front since World War II in 2010 and 2011. This summer, the outlook is chilly - again.

In April, the U.S. unemployment rate for 16- to 19-year-olds was 24.9 percent - and much higher in some major metropolitan areas.

"What I would ask people to think about is: Who gave you your first work experience? Almost every one of us had a break to get their first job, and that work experience is essential to get your second and third job," said Larry Frank, Los Angeles deputy mayor of neighborhood and community services.

Los Angeles - with the help of federal stimulus money - created around 15,000 summer jobs for teenagers in 2009 and 2010. But as the federal program ended, that was slashed to about 6,000 in 2011. It will not rise this year.

It's a similar story in other major cities.

New York City had 52,000 summer jobs for teens in 2009. Now the program is half that size. It has five applicants for every job.

Boston hopes to get funds and private-sector placements to raise this summer's teen job program to 10,000 slots, up from 8,800 in 2011, said Conny Doty, director of the Mayor's Office of Jobs and Community Services."

Sad summer in the city seen for job-hunting teens | Reuters

The mayor of Washington DC pledged for the past number of years that any city youths that want a job will have a job. The pledge has been kept every year. The jobs are not all in DC government but also in the private sector. It works very good.

Florida could take lessons from Washington DC.

Originally Posted by chachacha

it seems that at a time when american youth are looking for work and low cost student loans, it would behoove the President to consider THEIR needs and not give them unwanted competition from young people here illegally. the tax funds used to help illegal immigrants would better serve our own students. and how does an illegal immigrant join our military? i think that is a dangerous policy.

It looks as though the Tea Party has had Marko Rubio's alternative to the DREAM Act blown out of the water by President Obama. They are so flummoxed to have the wind taken from their sails that Rubio is agreeing with the Democrats and Romney was actually agreeing with it, too.

The pre-emptive strike by the President was a brilliant idea and guarantees him a victory in November.

Originally Posted by buggyone

It looks as though the Tea Party has had Marko Rubio's alternative to the DREAM Act blown out of the water by President Obama. They are so flummoxed to have the wind taken from their sails that Rubio is agreeing with the Democrats and Romney was actually agreeing with it, too.

The pre-emptive strike by the President was a brilliant idea and guarantees him a victory in November.

Come November, people are going to remember "It's the economy and jobs, Stupid".

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Come November, people are going to remember "It's the economy and jobs, Stupid".

I hope you are right because that is a losing issue for Willard - Bain has destroyed compaines, ruined families and put people out of work all the while while Willard and his band of Bain Brother Crooks pocketed millions and millions of dollars.

Originally Posted by coralway

I hope you are right because that is a losing issue for Willard - Bain has destroyed compaines, ruined families and put people out of work all the while while Willard and his band of Bain Brother Crooks pocketed millions and millions of dollars.

Oh really. Well that means the California teachers' unions and retired university faculty and staff have pocketed millions and millions, too!

Some of Bain's largest investors in private equity are public employee unions and their pensions funds. These investors include the California State Teachers Retirement System (CalSTRS), as was well as the University of California Retirement Plan (UCRP); with each having over 100 million USD committed as of the start of 2012.

Bain Capital - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by coralway

I hope you are right because that is a losing issue for Willard - Bain has destroyed compaines, ruined families and put people out of work all the while while Willard and his band of Bain Brother Crooks pocketed millions and millions of dollars.

As DEMOCRATIC leaders have advised the President... this is not a road you want to travel !!!

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

I'm a lot less exorcised by Obama's executive order than I am the absolute ineptitude of both the White House and the Congress to negotiate and pass some comprehensive immigration legislation. As I understand it, the provisions of the executive order will go away in two years, but "we the people" will still be left with a rudderless immigration policy because of the political bickering and stalemating of our political parties in Congress.

I happened to hear Canada's Prime Minister interviewed and a part of what he discussed was their immigration policy, particularly as regards trying to attract the kinds of people who are properly educated and have the skills to contribute and grow the Canadian economy. The interview was a part of Fareed Zakaria's GPS program entitled "Roadmap for Making Immigration Work" and how immigration laws affect the economies of various countries. If the program is ever re-run, I'd recommend it highly.

Canada was held out as having the best immigration laws in the world, having a very positive effect on their economy and their ability to attract investment and create new jobs. Canada apparently reviews their needs for workers quite frequently, yearly I believe, and adjusts their immigration policy to specifically target immigrants who have the skills and education needed by Canadian employers. The program used as examples how effective loosened immigration policies have been in attracting doctors and medical personnel to serve both their people as well as their healthcare industry. Another aggravating example was discussed as they were showing pictures of major new plants in British Columbia which had been built in the last couple of years by Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, Intel and AMD.

These plants are staffed in large part by immigrant engineers and scientists recruited to work in Canada, who were easily granted either visas or full citizenship based specifically on their level of advanced education and/or technical skills. They also interviewed employers and employees in the medical device and other manufacturing businesses who were enthusiastic about the opportunities provided to them to live and work in Canada. All were well-educated immigrants.

So while our politicians are doing stuff like issuing executive orders to permit mostly young Mexicans who are kids of illegal immigrants to stay here for another two years, and then arguing back and forth about the Constitutionality of the order, the Canadians are quietly and effectively managing their immigration policies to attract the kinds of skilled and educated workers they need to attract investment, grow their economy and create jobs.

It's no big secret. Many of the top technical companies have testified before various Congressional hearings that they simply cannot get the quality of employees needed to staff their factories here in the U.S. They have been appealing to Congress to legislate better education policies as well as immigration policies, which would result in an increased pool of talented, well-educated workers.

Of course, the Republicans and the Democrats can't agree on anything that they think should pass into law on either of those subjects. In the meantime, they're arguing about inconsequential issues that get their base political constituencies arguing with one another, always working hard to gain enough votes for re-election. In the meantime, few jobs are being created and the big employers are building plants outside the U.S.

Sick!

VK In all due respect the Republicans had been pushing for the same thing (ie allowing professionals, etc in under such visas). The liberals do not agree because it frustrates their efforts for the Dream Act, a frustration born only in loss of Hispanic votes.

Europe learned its lesson the hard way and now many Europeans countries are clamping down on who enters their country.

Everyone talks about the fact that we can't send these people back while I ask myself why not? They came here illegally placing a heavy burden on those states which are absorbing the greater share of them. Liberals like to pretend it is not a problem but this issue of illegal immigration is like having. a silent heart attack and without even noticing you've join your ancestors

Originally Posted by rubicon

VK In all due respect the Republicans had been pushing for the same thing (ie allowing professionals, etc in under such visas). The liberals do not agree because it frustrates their efforts for the Dream Act, a frustration born only in loss of Hispanic votes.

Europe learned its lesson the hard way and now many Europeans countries are clamping down on who enters their country.

Everyone talks about the fact that we can't send these people back while I ask myself why not? They came here illegally placing a heavy burden on those states which are absorbing the greater share of them. Liberals like to pretend it is not a problem but this issue of illegal immigration is like having. a silent heart attack and without even noticing you've join your ancestors

I am still trying to get more facts and validation but I have run into an interesting fact. Did you know that the 3rd largest revenue stream for the country of Mexico is money sent back to the country from illegals immigrants in this country sending back their earnings ?

The revenue streams for Mexico are....exports, oil sales and then money sent back from illegal immigrants in the USA. Now, that means the earn it here, do not spend it here, or at least not as much as we have been lead to believe and send it back to their economy. I wonder if this includes the BILLIONS bilked from the IRS on tax frauds that it seems we do not want to stop.

I am not quite sure of the date of the report that I will link....a few years ago I would imagine since...but the report covers the cost of illegal immigration to this country and that is not something we hear much about. I can only recall hearing the benefits to our country from those who seek to make those folks BREAKING OUR LAW into some kind of heros...

"$60 billion dollars are earned by illegal aliens in the U.S. each year. One of Mexico's largest revenue streams (after exports and oil sales) consists of money sent home by legal immigrants and illegal aliens working in the U.S. Economists say this will help Mexico reduce its $17.8 billion defecit and may bolster the peso. $10 billion dollars (as of 2003) are sent back to Mexico annually, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, reported in an Associated Press article, up $800 million from the previous year. ($9 billion dollars were previously sent back annually, according to a September 25, 2002 NPR report). That figure equals what Mexico earns annually from tourism. This is a massive transfer of wealth from America - essentially from America's displaced working poor - to Mexico."

Economic costs of mass immigration (legal and illegal immigration) - CAIR - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform

Originally Posted by Bucco

I am still trying to get more facts and validation but I have run into an interesting fact. Did you know that the 3rd largest revenue stream for the country of Mexico is money sent back to the country from illegals immigrants in this country sending back their earnings ?

The revenue streams for Mexico are....exports, oil sales and then money sent back from illegal immigrants in the USA. Now, that means the earn it here, do not spend it here, or at least not as much as we have been lead to believe and send it back to their economy. I wonder if this includes the BILLIONS bilked from the IRS on tax frauds that it seems we do not want to stop.

I am not quite sure of the date of the report that I will link....a few years ago I would imagine since...but the report covers the cost of illegal immigration to this country and that is not something we hear much about. I can only recall hearing the benefits to our country from those who seek to make those folks BREAKING OUR LAW into some kind of heros...

"$60 billion dollars are earned by illegal aliens in the U.S. each year. One of Mexico's largest revenue streams (after exports and oil sales) consists of money sent home by legal immigrants and illegal aliens working in the U.S. Economists say this will help Mexico reduce its $17.8 billion defecit and may bolster the peso. $10 billion dollars (as of 2003) are sent back to Mexico annually, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, reported in an Associated Press article, up $800 million from the previous year. ($9 billion dollars were previously sent back annually, according to a September 25, 2002 NPR report). That figure equals what Mexico earns annually from tourism. This is a massive transfer of wealth from America - essentially from America's displaced working poor - to Mexico."

Economic costs of mass immigration (legal and illegal immigration) - CAIR - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform

No offense Bucco but have you ever considered taking up a less time consuming and equally influential hobby like counting the grains of sand in the golf course traps in TV?