For me, I need to see Trumps tax return before I can relax with his presidency.

NOT because of his tax rate, or such a thing.

His family has said they do millions and millions of dollars of business in Russia alone. The Newsweek investigative report also indicated Turkey, Iran and a few other countries involved.

I simply want to know how much he is indebted to these countries on a personal level, and to whom. His tax returns would show that.

Anyone who does not think that is important, is not thinking at all.

Originally Posted by Guest

How come we can't see Trump's email's or his staff's emails. Why not the RNC. Do you think we might be interested in some of the conversation taking place there?

Maybe Putin did hack Trump or the RNC and he's just holding on to it in order to have leverage over Trump. Maybe that's why Trump is sucking up to Putin so much. I'm not saying any of this is true but we'll never know unless we have a bipartisan investigation that is transparent to the public.

One thing I'm sure of is anyone who doesn't want this investigation to take place in a transparent manner is worried about something. This will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Trump has never used e-mails. He is totally computer illiterate. Yesterday he said 'no computer is safe' and the only safe way to communicate is to write everything out and have it delivered by courier. Sounds like an efficient way to run the US government which employs three million.

Evidently Trump thinks America was great back in the 1950's and intends to revert to those practices. Bring back carbon paper.

Originally Posted by Guest

I seriously question Trump in every way possible.

You simply made this up. I have been a conservative for many years, and been on this forum since its inception. If you check the posts made by Bucco and Rags123, you will find strong opinions questioning Obama on most issue, started by or commented on by me.

My name was changed because some liberal posters did not like it...thus they began to PM me in a nasty way and I changed my name.

You people actually believe that you extreme alt right, conspiracy theorists are alone in opposing Obama on Issues.....not even close.

Difference is this.....I object to low character, low moral, compulsive liars and Trump is all that. In addition, those claims are easily validated, and not political speak.

You have opted to this hateful man because of YOUR hate tor the President. Not all of you, but based on posts, many of those opposing him do it because of his skin color and that is repulsive.

Obama was questioned many many times on here, and frankly when I started a number of threads on Syria, most were not even interested.

So save the lectures......our new President has lied his entire life and he will not stop now....he has manipulated everything toward him and he will not stop now.

You will hear a lot of his

"I know things you don't know"

Which roughly translated from Trumpese means, I gotta figure how to make this work for ME. Not the country but ME.

Regarding your last statement, I have to ask you this - how do you know he thinks/feels this way? Being in private enterprise, building a business, it would make sense to be a lot about "me", but making the choice to run for public office should not be, even though we have seen an awful lot of self-aggrandizing in recent years. Having chosen to now become a public servant, I withhold my judgment regarding Trump in this manner until I see the evidence. He certainly didn't need to run for office for the money or the fame. My opinion at this point in time is that he ran, not to elevate himself, because I hardly think he needs to do that, but because he does desire to right some wrongs in our country and realizes the only way to do it is to get one's hands dirty. Now I could be proven incorrect about this, but I prefer to reserve my right to judge until I see a reason to do so, just as I did for Obama. In other words, how about giving him a chance to do the job first before criticizing?

I think that the reason the Clinton's and Obama continue to come up in discussions regarding Trump is because if you want to make comparisons, I'm not sure anyone could match the character defects of the Clinton's or the arrogance of Obama - even Trump! So your hatred toward Trump is confusing to me when you admonish those who show similar contempt for Obama. If all it has to do with is lying, which you reference quite a bit, I think the Clinton's and Obama could give Trump a run for his money in that arena!

Originally Posted by Guest

Regarding your last statement, I have to ask you this - how do you know he thinks/feels this way? Being in private enterprise, building a business, it would make sense to be a lot about "me", but making the choice to run for public office should not be, even though we have seen an awful lot of self-aggrandizing in recent years. Having chosen to now become a public servant, I withhold my judgment regarding Trump in this manner until I see the evidence. He certainly didn't need to run for office for the money or the fame. My opinion at this point in time is that he ran, not to elevate himself, because I hardly think he needs to do that, but because he does desire to right some wrongs in our country and realizes the only way to do it is to get one's hands dirty. Now I could be proven incorrect about this, but I prefer to reserve my right to judge until I see a reason to do so, just as I did for Obama. In other words, how about giving him a chance to do the job first before criticizing?

I think that the reason the Clinton's and Obama continue to come up in discussions regarding Trump is because if you want to make comparisons, I'm not sure anyone could match the character defects of the Clinton's or the arrogance of Obama - even Trump! So your hatred toward Trump is confusing to me when you admonish those who show similar contempt for Obama. If all it has to do with is lying, which you reference quite a bit, I think the Clinton's and Obama could give Trump a run for his money in that arena!

I never said I hated Trump...cannot recall ever HATING anyone.

He is and has been a public figure thus we know a lot of Trump. He has never changed one iota. Going back to his illegal housing stories, even up to just this past epweek or so and his outright lies concerning his foundation, he has never missed a beat.

Since becoming President Elect, he has trashed my country's intelligence agencies and did it publicly to insure embarrassment to all. He has tried, and succeeded to insure the spotlight remains on him.

Given his awful, egoist, despicable, immoral behavior his entire life, I would bE willing to give him a chance in some areas, but he has shown in the last few weeks, he still does not get it.

F he would release his tax returns, I would step back a bit, but he will not. See, this man who rails against people for being not transparent remains the most secretive man to enter the WH eve. The huge risk of him being so deep in debt to countries like Russia, Turkey, Iran, etc is a big deal to me. I suppose if you accept his refusal to not share this with the country, you probably don't care about his terribly flawed character.

But, I hate no person, so your use of thepat word is wrong.

Lack of trust, total lack at this point makes me very very skeptical. He cannot nor has he gone a week without a lie

I must add this. I always found that in making judgements on people looking at there "idols" or mentors tells a lot.

Despite himself, when I hear him praise Alex Jones, and choose people like Steve Bannon to be his close advisor, it adds even more to my mistrust. They, as Trump, were famous and renowned before this election as conspiracy theorists, alt right extremist. Those views do not fit my view of America. I mentioned I do not hate,,,,these men not only hate, they have made careers out of promulgating it.

Libtards are afraid that Trump is going to fix things and make Obama look stupid..........ah, wait a minute, Obie is already looking stupid. Putin, the thug sure made Obie look stupid. Why? Because Obie has no life experience and got where he is by Affirmative Action. You can't compare someone you have to prop up every day with someone that has a lifetime of experience.

Originally Posted by Guest

I never said I hated Trump...cannot recall ever HATING anyone.

He is and has been a public figure thus we know a lot of Trump. He has never changed one iota. Going back to his illegal housing stories, even up to just this past epweek or so and his outright lies concerning his foundation, he has never missed a beat.

Since becoming President Elect, he has trashed my country's intelligence agencies and did it publicly to insure embarrassment to all. He has tried, and succeeded to insure the spotlight remains on him.

Given his awful, egoist, despicable, immoral behavior his entire life, I would bE willing to give him a chance in some areas, but he has shown in the last few weeks, he still does not get it.

F he would release his tax returns, I would step back a bit, but he will not. See, this man who rails against people for being not transparent remains the most secretive man to enter the WH eve. The huge risk of him being so deep in debt to countries like Russia, Turkey, Iran, etc is a big deal to me. I suppose if you accept his refusal to not share this with the country, you probably don't care about his terribly flawed character.

But, I hate no person, so your use of thepat word is wrong.

Lack of trust, total lack at this point makes me very very skeptical. He cannot nor has he gone a week without a lie

I must add this. I always found that in making judgements on people looking at there "idols" or mentors tells a lot.

Despite himself, when I hear him praise Alex Jones, and choose people like Steve Bannon to be his close advisor, it adds even more to my mistrust. They, as Trump, were famous and renowned before this election as conspiracy theorists, alt right extremist. Those views do not fit my view of America. I mentioned I do not hate,,,,these men not only hate, they have made careers out of promulgating it.

First off, I do apologize for using the word "hate" in referencing your post. You are correct, I don't think I've ever detected hatred in any of your posts. That was a big slip on my part - sorry.

You do make valid points on this subject matter and some of the same issues are of concern to me. My plan though is to try to be optimistic about where the country is going. As a result, I've made the decision to give it a chance and try not to make judgment too quickly. Not always one of my strong points, but nevertheless I'm going to give it a try. The one thing of most concern that I will be watching for does concern the statement I initially referenced in your post - will it be about the country or the individual? That in itself often tells me a lot about a person.

Originally Posted by Guest

For me, I need to see Trumps tax return before I can relax with his presidency.

NOT because of his tax rate, or such a thing.

His family has said they do millions and millions of dollars of business in Russia alone. The Newsweek investigative report also indicated Turkey, Iran and a few other countries involved.

I simply want to know how much he is indebted to these countries on a personal level, and to whom. His tax returns would show that.

Anyone who does not think that is important, is not thinking at all.

The Senate Intelligence Committee has the power to subpoena Trump's tax records to see what his connection is with Russia, among other things. These records will probably never be made public, but at least the investigators will know the facts.

On Sat Trump said he ' knows stuff that no one else knows', and this presumably includes the president. He will tell us what this is on Tues or Wed. The only way he could know stuff that nobody else knows is if he heard it from Putin, IMO.

Trump is running out of time, 18 days, to divest himself of all of his business interests or be possibly in violation of the constitution.

Originally Posted by Guest

First off, I do apologize for using the word "hate" in referencing your post. You are correct, I don't think I've ever detected hatred in any of your posts. That was a big slip on my part - sorry.

You do make valid points on this subject matter and some of the same issues are of concern to me. My plan though is to try to be optimistic about where the country is going. As a result, I've made the decision to give it a chance and try not to make judgment too quickly. Not always one of my strong points, but nevertheless I'm going to give it a try. The one thing of most concern that I will be watching for does concern the statement I initially referenced in your post - will it be about the country or the individual? That in itself often tells me a lot about a person.

The country is becoming 3rd world as it FILLS with people FROM the 3rd world. Rome fell because it had become genetically and socially "diluted" too.

Optimism? When you KNOW that Hispanics are becoming the majority? When you KNOW they're the majority below age 6? The country, your culture is LOST within 30 years if we don't stop it. Literally, a mathematical certainty...lost...becoming a minority majority.

You should have made your decision...you needed to...make that judgement a long time ago. BEFORE they were 100 million or 1/3 the population. YOU let them in because YOU kept voting for corrupt crooks who have sold us all out for some money and power. Perot could have slowed it, but you thought he a was crazy. No, YOU are for voting for the SAME crooks...over and over...while they loot the nation and the taxpayer. Was gay marriage and quotas worth $30,000 to you? Because that's EACH man, woman, and child's share of the debt that is paying for it. We're #25 for a reason...lowered standards and quotas.

Originally Posted by Guest

The Senate Intelligence Committee has the power to subpoena Trump's tax records to see what his connection is with Russia, among other things. These records will probably never be made public, but at least the investigators will know the facts.

On Sat Trump said he ' knows stuff that no one else knows', and this presumably includes the president. He will tell us what this is on Tues or Wed. The only way he could know stuff that nobody else knows is if he heard it from Putin, IMO.

Trump is running out of time, 18 days, to divest himself of all of his business interests or be possibly in violation of the constitution.

Don't hold your breath...just because you're elected president, doesn't mean you have to quickly sell all your businesses at a loss.

You women...you worry about the stupidest sh!t. You ALWAYS miss the big picture. The people who matter...they already know all about Trump. He's one of them. It's why he got elected. A "stranger" doesn't get elected president.

Originally Posted by Guest

You should have made your decision...you needed to...make that judgement a long time ago. BEFORE they were 100 million or 1/3 the population. YOU let them in because YOU kept voting for corrupt crooks who have sold us all out for some money and power. Perot could have slowed it, but you thought he a was crazy.

As a matter of fact, no I didn't. I voted for him.

Originally Posted by Guest

Where to start...Hillary Clinton's e-mail server was not hacked. It was John Podesta's emails and the DNC that was hacked.

Please list the intel agencies that don't believe Russia was behind the hacking. Senator John McCain R-AZ is calling what Russia did "an act of war". Wouldn't it be interesting if congress declared war on Russia just as Trump is sworn in?

John McCain is not a US intelligent agency.

US intel agencies disagree on Russian election hacking | Main | English edition | Agencia EFE

And I will reiterate. These are the same US intel agencies that swore that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. US intel agencies have been decimated over the years and are never 100% correct.

Originally Posted by Guest

The Senate Intelligence Committee has the power to subpoena Trump's tax records to see what his connection is with Russia, among other things. These records will probably never be made public, but at least the investigators will know the facts.

On Sat Trump said he ' knows stuff that no one else knows', and this presumably includes the president. He will tell us what this is on Tues or Wed. The only way he could know stuff that nobody else knows is if he heard it from Putin, IMO.

Trump is running out of time, 18 days, to divest himself of all of his business interests or be possibly in violation of the constitution.

Please explain to those of us who do not have your level of understanding and insight about Income Taxes how it is that we would learn about Trump`s supposed connection to Russia from reviewing his Tax Returns .

I only have had a career in Finance of 35+ years but apparently there is still much for me to learn . So please enlighten all of us .

Originally Posted by Guest

Please explain to those of us who do not have your level of understanding and insight about Income Taxes how it is that we would learn about Trump`s supposed connection to Russia from reviewing his Tax Returns .

I only have had a career in Finance of 35+ years but apparently there is still much for me to learn . So please enlighten all of us .

Originally Posted by Guest

Please explain to those of us who do not have your level of understanding and insight about Income Taxes how it is that we would learn about Trump`s supposed connection to Russia from reviewing his Tax Returns .

I only have had a career in Finance of 35+ years but apparently there is still much for me to learn . So please enlighten all of us .

Obviously, that career had nothing to do with taxes.

Or at least for the sake of the couple of clients you may have had...I hope it didn't.



What Trump’s Tax Returns Could Tell Us About His Dealings with Russia - POLITICO Magazine

But that’s very different from the claims that the Trump Organization was making before he decided to run for president.

Trump's son said in 2008 that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets” and “we see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

Trump’s tax returns could reconcile the tension between these statements. Even if Trump really does have no loans from Russia and no business in that jurisdiction, what about other financial connections with Russians outside of their land? His statement does not rule out such ties, including shared partnership interests, equity interests, joint ventures or licensing agreements with Russia or Russians—both by Trump and his affiliated companies.

If we had Trump's tax returns, the documents could, for example, allow closer scrutiny of the widespread foreign deals licensing his name for projects and products. The needed vetting is not only a matter of who the foreign licensors are (including participants in partnerships and firms doing the licensing). It also concerns the critical question whether he is using offshore tax havens to own these licensing assets or shelter income from them. In his foreign licensing deals, Trump emphasizes the importance of political connections, Vanity Fair reported in August. “The nice part [of the licensing model] is you have local people, local developers: they know the government, they know the presidents of the country, the prime ministers of the country, and all of those things,” Trump said. “Now, I help them a lot: If they need zoning, and they say they are doing a Trump job, every single time they get their zoning because the government wants Trump.”

There are other problems with Trump's sole reliance on his 104-page campaign disclosure under the current circumstances. That document may be missing some foreign entities with which he is associated because of exclusions: The 278e need not show assets with losses, for example, if they no longer have a positive value. Given the way Trump does business, there may be many such assets that do show up on his tax returns, and that could reflect Russian or other foreign ties.

One other shortcoming of the campaign disclosure: It is a current report, which doesn’t go back before the reporting period. That period varies for the different parts of the 278e report, but is generally no longer than the preceding calendar year or two. By contrast, Hillary Clinton has provided 38 years of her tax filings. Given the heightened scrutiny called for by Trump's extraordinary statements about Russia, don't we need to know if he had Russian business dealings three or more years ago and what those dealings were?

Trump may counter these questions by asserting that his taxes contain no such information. But should we take his word for it, given his apparent support for Russian criminal meddling in our democratic process? Clinton did not ask people to trust her assertions of what was on her tax filings; she disclosed them. So has every other recent presidential candidate. Ronald Reagan’s adage for arms negotiations with the Soviets two decades ago was “trust but verify.”

Perhaps it is time for voters of all political persuasions to tell Trump the same thing that Reagan told Mikhail Gorbachev: no verification, no deal.

You're welcome.

Originally Posted by Guest

Obviously, that career had nothing to do with taxes.

Or at least for the sake of the couple of clients you may have had...I hope it didn't.



What Trump’s Tax Returns Could Tell Us About His Dealings with Russia - POLITICO Magazine



You're welcome.

Who cares, besides nosy busybody women? They should ban the candidates from revealing their personal tax returns. That's private information that no one has business asking for, other than the IRS. Trump is too nice. I would tell people like you to kiss my @ss. The trouble with that is that you would take it literally as an invitation.
So stuff that in your bonnet Can't No Mo.

Originally Posted by Guest

Please explain to those of us who do not have your level of understanding and insight about Income Taxes how it is that we would learn about Trump`s supposed connection to Russia from reviewing his Tax Returns .

I only have had a career in Finance of 35+ years but apparently there is still much for me to learn . So please enlighten all of us .

Just guessing that the Senate Intelligence Committee will question Trump or his accountant about who huge sums of interest are owed. (Just like being asked for receipts during an audit)

BTW: how long does an audit normally take? As we move into the 2016 tax season, shouldn't the 2015 audits be finished?

Trump said he wants to release his tax returns as soon as the audit is complete. As president it would be dangerous to give even the appearance of impropriety.