Originally Posted by Guest

Do you or anybody else know if the gun packing were even in the vacinity of the shooters??

"...an armed guard was on campus..."? Does anybody know if the armed gurad was in the vacinity of the shotter(s)?

If one can't supply the facts of the matter/situation there is no value added from the multitude of assumptions or guesses about the role played.

Maybe it sounds good to the uninformed!

Exactly. And then when you call them out on it, they suddenly disappear. Hit and run cowards....just like terrorists.

Hoping to come upon some intelligent exchange of ideas about gun ownership I read this thread. I can only assume there are two posters trying to out Hannity themselves on this forum. I can believe more than two would make some of the statements I read.

Originally Posted by Guest

Hoping to come upon some intelligent exchange of ideas about gun ownership I read this thread. I can only assume there are two posters trying to out Hannity themselves on this forum. I can believe more than two would make some of the statements I read.

Ignoring those that do not contribute to your quest, what did you have in mind regarding "...ideas about gun ownership..."?

Originally Posted by Guest

Exactly. And then when you call them out on it, they suddenly disappear. Hit and run cowards....just like terrorists.

This forum is a lost cause as long as the GUEST identification continues.

It seems so often that one guy or two have an ongoing conversation with themselves to generate some fun.

It is also unfair not to know who the posters are that destroy anyone else having an open conversation.

Shame but it is a reality.

We are several days removed from the nonsensical Obama suggestion of limitations on certain citizen's rights. We see the left wing LA Times (and others) now admitting that restricting anything to a group of citizens who have never been convicted of any crime (or even accused) is clearly unconstitutional. Surely this must have occurred to our ex constitutional professor President. To think not would mean he's a complete dolt. I can't go there even though I don't think he's the sharpest tack in the drawer. I prefer option B.

Option B is a "stray voltage" campaign. Obama is taking incoming fire on his national security failures from the San Bernardino events. Change the topic by making a proposal so outlandish as to grab the attention of the talking heads. The topic cannot have a direct connection to the recent event, must be controversial, and, ideally, have no chance of actually doing or changing anything. Just get them talking about something else.

Democrats are very good at this. They can count on their legion of operatives and the main stream media (but I repeat myself) to go along. The entire topic will evaporate in the end.

It is very likely that all or some of the posters in favor of this Obama proposal are part of the campaign. To think otherwise would mean that some of our neighbors are sentient beings who have grown to older age and actually believe that it is perfectly sensible to restrict the rights of citizens who have been put on a secret list by unknown people for an unknown reason. That would mean they are truly dolts. I don't believe that.

Originally Posted by Guest

Hoping to come upon some intelligent exchange of ideas about gun ownership I read this thread. I can only assume there are two posters trying to out Hannity themselves on this forum. I can believe more than two would make some of the statements I read.

Sure, like anyone is going to believe that. Trolling for a reaction? Is this good enough for you? Bye..

Originally Posted by Guest

Ignoring those that do not contribute to your quest, what did you have in mind regarding "...ideas about gun ownership..."?

This forum is no place for a respectful exchange of ideas on anything. I've seem more intelligent statements written in a Waffle House bathroom stall. It is a little unfortunate as are a great number of very intelligent residents in this community that might join if there was a little more civility. I don't consider myself one of the intelligent ones, I'm here only for the entertainment.

As long as we have our Congress taking all their contributions from the NRA, we will not have reasonable gun control.

Originally Posted by Guest

As long as we have our Congress taking all their contributions from the NRA, we will not have reasonable gun control.

Like the the democrats don't take contributions from every tom dick and Harry.

Originally Posted by Guest

As long as we have our Congress taking all their contributions from the NRA, we will not have reasonable gun control.

buried in that comment somewhere is a contrived definition of what reasonable gun control means.

There are some of us who believe what is in place now is reasonable. The problem as in so many of our laws of the land is the slective enforcement.

Add to the already reasonable gun control laws all the additional laws and rules like in NY and CA there should be a pretty good coverage.

The single biggest problem in trying to reach a reasonable conclusion is the plethora of folks who have absolutely no idea what the hell they are talking about when comes to the laws, what is being done or not done...as well as the kinds of weapons covered or not covered.

Most who babble about gun control know what they hear on the television set from the just as uninformed media. And of course they all watch the gun laden movies to round out their knowledge.

The above commentary of how uninformed too many are also applies to all the gun ignorant anti gunners in Washington!

Typical political farse!

At least, the CCW permit should have the mandatory requirement of marksmanship.

In Florida, any veteran can get the CCW permit with a copy of his DD214, fingerprints, and a fee of around $115. No test of marksmanship at all! It makes no difference if the veteran was an Army cook 70 years ago and has not touched a gun since then.

Originally Posted by Guest

At least, the CCW permit should have the mandatory requirement of marksmanship.

In Florida, any veteran can get the CCW permit with a copy of his DD214, fingerprints, and a fee of around $115. No test of marksmanship at all! It makes no difference if the veteran was an Army cook 70 years ago and has not touched a gun since then.

Always excuses. How many problems do you read about with veterans not hitting their target? That has nothing to do with the shooting problem. Anyone knows that once you have had weapons training, you remember how to handle them properly. At least, anyone that has every had a gun before. Anti-gun folks will always try to come up with something to argue with. Example: Automatic weapons. There already is a ban on automatic weapons, but every know-nothing, anti-gun person as well as news reporters with no experience, thinks that any non revolver or shotgun is automatic. They do not understand that only fully automatic weapons are considered "assault weapons."

We have a second amendment. There is no stipulation in the amendment for proficiency. Everyone has different levels of ability, and none of it every has anything to do with the ISSUE. The fact is, there are more guns in America than ever before, and crime has gone down. Another fact is that over fifty percent of gun related deaths are due to suicide. Not a crime.

Anti-gun folks need to get on with their lives. You are not going to get rid of our guns, so you might as well lower your stress level and get a new agenda going for you.

Liberals are on a roll and they fully intend to destroy America.
They have achieved legalizing abortion
They are selling baby body parts
They have legalized deviant sexual behavior, even marriage
They have all but banned public display of Christianity.
They have almost legalized the sale of Marijuana
They have almost run the wealthy out of our country by unfair taxation
They have banned non-PC conversation, even punishing private conversation
They teach our children acceptance of deviant behavior and immorality in public schools
They have ostracized Christians and welcomed Muslims
And they have all but bankrupted our country to subsidize the lazy. Forcing everyone to purchase a product or service by force of penalty (Obamacare).

Our neighbor is NOT our responsibility. Our family is our responsibly and Christian charity is encouraged, not forced. Donating, volunteering, assisting, and caring for is an option of charity, not an obligation. Liberals have been using our good faith against us when they feel no responsibility of their own. They feel that sharing is only for those that have more than them. They are very generous with others' property. No sacrifice of their own.

Guns are a right. If you manage to ban guns, all you will be doing is making more criminals, because NO real American will lay down his guns on the whim of a pathetic pacifist coward. And that is exactly what Obama is.

Originally Posted by Guest

As long as we have our Congress taking all their contributions from the NRA, we will not have reasonable gun control.

Reasonable gun control for the likes of you is banning gun ownership. Just because you don't wish to protect your family, you shouldn't force your pacifist nature on others that wish to protect their own. Not all of us are meek and wish to be walked upon. We have plenty of gun control in this country. But, ignorance runs rampant in those outspoken that have no clue, just mouth.

Originally Posted by Guest

As long as we have our Congress taking all their contributions from the NRA, we will not have reasonable gun control.

I agree with you. I own a number of handguns and a so-called assault rifle and would have no problem registering all of them. I also think anyone carrying a concealed weapon should be registered along with each weapon they carry. A few liberal stop and frisk should be law of the land. It has been 15 years since I've been an NRA member. No reasonable dialog is possible as they do own congress. IMO

Originally Posted by Guest

I agree with you. I own a number of handguns and a so-called assault rifle and would have no problem registering all of them. I also think anyone carrying a concealed weapon should be registered along with each weapon they carry. A few liberal stop and frisk should be law of the land. It has been 15 years since I've been an NRA member. No reasonable dialog is possible as they do own congress. IMO

Hate to break it to you, but ALL CCW permits are "registered." The only fear I have regarding registering ALL weapons is that the honest person will comply and the criminal won't. As bad as this gov is, I am reluctant to allow them any more power or control over me. Having a list of all gun ownership, makes it real easy for them to confiscate your gun if they declare an emergency. I have been a law abiding citizen all my life, but if they started a mandatory registration, my unregistered weapons would remain unregistered. I have no problems with a stop and frisk policy as long as it is not a "liberal" stop and frisk, meaning with total disregard for the constitutional rights of the citizen. A suspicious looking character is one good reason, but just to stop someone on a "liberal" power trip is another. There has to be some governor on this power. I don't believe the NRA owns congress any more than than I believe George Soros or the Koch brothers own congress. They have lots of power, but not total power. If not for the NRA, I bet we would be another Australia in regards to gun laws and confiscation.

Statistics seem to indicate that since more guns are owned in the U.S. crime has been reduced. In cities with the harshest gun control laws, violent crime is the highest.

Since over half the gun related deaths in America are suicides, reducing or limiting gun ownership will not reduce that fifty percent of deaths. Those persons wishing to end their own lives will still achieve it, only by a different method.

Strict penalties and punishment is the only deterrent to lower deaths by criminal violence. If the courts refuse to punish the guilty, then what is stopping them from committing crime?