Originally Posted by coralway

It is simply amazing anyone can ask "who is Barack Obama". The guy campaigned for 23 months !!!!! 23 months !!!! He was asked every conceivable question under the sun - and he answered every single one. Now, you may not have liked all of his answers, but he answered each and every questions.

I lost track of how many debates he participated in - and then when only he and Hillary were left, they had a series of debates that garnered huge TV prime time ratings.

So, after 23 months of campaigning and many debates, how can anyone possibly ask "who is Barack Obama"?

Either you weren't paying attention or you were too overwhelmed by the sheer lunacy of the R's VP choice.

The FACT is Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate. His polling numbers indicates he is much preferred over Etch-A-Sketch and will, in all probability, be overwhelmingly reelected, as he should be.

I will try and repond with a civil tone.

Obama is NOT....repeat...NOT even close...governing as he said he would.

He lied on each and every aspect of the health care bill including the actual goal of his "reform". In addition on that bill he wasted time that could have been spent on JOBS. NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate. As a result of his arrogance there are folks who will suffer greatly.

He ridiculed the past administration on Patriot act......and kept it totally 100% in place....NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

He absolutely condemned that past administration on the rendition of terror suspects...I mean he was really strong. Now he still has renditions and no chance of it ever being changes....NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

As a candidate, he detailed a very detailed plan for NASA and said he would make NASA a priority again. He killed the constellation program....NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

He said over and over again as he ridiculed the last administration that he would close GTMO.....it is still open......NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

Have not mentioned his now embracing super Pac's which to him was taboo.....and many many more. So he is NOT even close and if you want to discuss the economics then the list gets so big.

How about NO BUDGET in a democratic senate.....

Anyway, you feel he has been vetted...good for you. There have been BOOKS written on how he was NOT vetted. Not books by Republicans or right wing folks, BUT by media folks. Hope this time around he will get vetted but as someone mentioned on here...I did not see it or read it but the recent book or tv special on the last campaign had McCain saying he would not campaign in that manner....ie, bringing up some of the more uncomfortable stuff.

Actually, that may not be necessary as the last time he had NO record at all of any kind on anything. This time he does.

I realize this will be met by sarcasm but this is not a game.....the polls do not matter.....his supporters on this forum NEVER EVER EVER discuss issues and in order to discuss politics, or the world, or the leaders, you need to discuss issues. I believe that this lack of issue driven focus will show up in the campaign, although unlike you I dont predict anything.

I have read so much more than you would ever think of reading on this man and all I know, other than the last years as president is shadows...perhaps not by design, but shadows in his life.

I will anticipate your posting of polls IF THEY FAVOR OBAMA.....I will anticipate your posting as much negative things about Romney personally as you can get your hands on.....I will anticipate some creative names being posted for Romney, his family, etc........but I would hope that maybe sometime you might post on an issue that is vital to the COUNTRY and not selected things that play to the "game", which this election, nor any election, is not ~!!!

Originally Posted by Bucco

I will try and repond with a civil tone.

Obama is NOT....repeat...NOT even close...governing as he said he would.

He lied on each and every aspect of the health care bill including the actual goal of his "reform". In addition on that bill he wasted time that could have been spent on JOBS. NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate. As a result of his arrogance there are folks who will suffer greatly.

He ridiculed the past administration on Patriot act......and kept it totally 100% in place....NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

He absolutely condemned that past administration on the rendition of terror suspects...I mean he was really strong. Now he still has renditions and no chance of it ever being changes....NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

As a candidate, he detailed a very detailed plan for NASA and said he would make NASA a priority again. He killed the constellation program....NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

He said over and over again as he ridiculed the last administration that he would close GTMO.....it is still open......NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

Have not mentioned his now embracing super Pac's which to him was taboo.....and many many more. So he is NOT even close and if you want to discuss the economics then the list gets so big.

How about NO BUDGET in a democratic senate.....

Anyway, you feel he has been vetted...good for you. There have been BOOKS written on how he was NOT vetted. Not books by Republicans or right wing folks, BUT by media folks. Hope this time around he will get vetted but as someone mentioned on here...I did not see it or read it but the recent book or tv special on the last campaign had McCain saying he would not campaign in that manner....ie, bringing up some of the more uncomfortable stuff.

Actually, that may not be necessary as the last time he had NO record at all of any kind on anything. This time he does.

I realize this will be met by sarcasm but this is not a game.....the polls do not matter.....his supporters on this forum NEVER EVER EVER discuss issues and in order to discuss politics, or the world, or the leaders, you need to discuss issues. I believe that this lack of issue driven focus will show up in the campaign, although unlike you I dont predict anything.

I have read so much more than you would ever think of reading on this man and all I know, other than the last years as president is shadows...perhaps not by design, but shadows in his life.

I will anticipate your posting of polls IF THEY FAVOR OBAMA.....I will anticipate your posting as much negative things about Romney personally as you can get your hands on.....I will anticipate some creative names being posted for Romney, his family, etc........but I would hope that maybe sometime you might post on an issue that is vital to the COUNTRY and not selected things that play to the "game", which this election, nor any election, is not ~!!!

Obama and Gitmo. The problem is a Republican run House of Representatives and $. Why Obama can't close Guantánamo – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs

On his maturity about the Patriot Act-- David Bromwich: Obama, Bush, and the Patriot Act

Obama and NASA-- http://mashable.com/2012/02/14/obama-space/

Obama and Super PACS-- Rodell Mollineau's response to 'Obama super PAC - hypocritical or common sense?' - The Arena | POLITICO.COM

Obama's Budget-- GOP-run House easily rejects Obama budget - Yahoo! News

Obama and Romney's Health Care Plans-- Obama and Romney surprisingly similar on health care - baltimoresun.com

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Obama and Gitmo. The problem is a Republican run House of Representatives and $. Why Obama can't close Guantánamo – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs

This is funny....you pick one small sentence and respond. WOW.....AND he DID MAKE THAT PROMISE,,,certainly not anybody's fault but his that he made it a big deal during the campaign...BIG DEAL and could not do it.

All the others are obviously ok with you !!!!

This is kind of like the Bill O'Reily program. No matter what O'Reily's guests say, he doesn't listen and just keeps on talking over them to repeat his talking over and over until eyes glaze over. Well, what else can you expect from FOX NOISE?

Originally Posted by buggyone

This is kind of like the Bill O'Reily program. No matter what O'Reily's guests say, he doesn't listen and just keeps on talking over them to repeat his talking over and over until eyes glaze over. Well, what else can you expect from FOX NOISE?

1. I really very seldom watch any news shows, and probably the least watched for me is Fox....just so your chant, which seems to be a necessary criteria on your side of the aisle. Would be refreshing to hear another chant...THAT one is so very old.

2. I listen, just have NOT HEARD ANYONE DISPUTE WHAT I POSTED...NOBODY so not much to listen to is there.

What that I posted is incorrect...PLEASE POST

Originally Posted by DaleMN

In the words of the esteemed (not) Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!!!!!

WOW.....does not matter, folks just want to call names instead of being factual. Not sure what that means in this case....my experience is that you call names and make crazy allegations when you have nothing of import or substance to say.

You folks are so afraid to admit that the President could be wrong, it is frightening. Do you honestly really believe that he is perfect in every way.

I also would call you as the other poster to contradict me on FACTS...like a grown up

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Obama and Gitmo. The problem is a Republican run House of Representatives and $. Why Obama can't close Guantánamo – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs

On his maturity about the Patriot Act-- David Bromwich: Obama, Bush, and the Patriot Act

Obama and NASA-- http://mashable.com/2012/02/14/obama-space/

Obama and Super PACS-- Rodell Mollineau's response to 'Obama super PAC - hypocritical or common sense?' - The Arena | POLITICO.COM

Obama's Budget-- GOP-run House easily rejects Obama budget - Yahoo! News

Obama and Romney's Health Care Plans-- Obama and Romney surprisingly similar on health care - baltimoresun.com

I have to be honest with you.....I KNEW all about the links you give.

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE original statement. "Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate.

You are supplying pieces as to WHY he changed. BUT he is not "Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

Not even close. I know very well that candidates can change positions and in fact the only time I would criticize the President on the list I gave is the health care bill where he openly and constantly just lied.

But sure folks change postions, but the premise given here is "Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

You people think he is perfect and NEVER criticize him....heck, I oppose him and have made positive statements about him.

Why cant he make mistakes ? Why do you people feel the need to make yourself look bad by claiming "Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate." then when called on the fact that it is factually not true, you provide links that show it NOT TO BE TRUE.

I get confused and you supporters do yourself no good at all by having that gut instinct to protect and defend everything. He is not perfect by any stretch and you are deluding yourself by constantly implying that he is.

This began as a thread on the mysteries in his life....the shadows and they exist and then you folks need to get in way over your head with statements as if he were god.....he is not.....I have worked for and supported many candidates over the years, and in my opinion, this kind of idolization is scary.

This statement is still NOT TRUE "Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

Originally Posted by buggyone

This is kind of like the Bill O'Reily program. No matter what O'Reily's guests say, he doesn't listen and just keeps on talking over them to repeat his talking over and over until eyes glaze over. Well, what else can you expect from FOX NOISE?

Cannot say that I watch Bill O'Reilly very often. Did get a kick out of Jon Lovitz's rant against Obama though.

"Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

That statement seems overstated and simplistic. I doubt if any US President has ever lived up to all his campaign promises. You would need a King to do that and not one that is only a figurehead. Say someone like Henry VIII, Louis XIV, Queen Elizabeth, or some of the other Heads of State who had absolutist power.

If all the liberals got is the irrelevant argument (if you can even call it that) of shouting "FOX News", you know you've won the argument and that you've been debating with children.

Somehow the most popular and most watched cable new channel in the country, and by wide margins, is considered a pejorative to the clueless childish uniformed left.

Sometimes when you argue with these people it might be considered child abuse.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

If all the liberals got is the irrelevant argument (if you can even call it that) of shouting "FOX News", you know you've won the argument and that you've been debating with children.

Somehow the most popular and most watched cable new channel in the country, and by wide margins, is considered a pejorative to the clueless childish uniformed left.

Sometimes when you argue with these people it might be considered child abuse.

Ah, whatever!

Originally Posted by RichieLion
If all the liberals got is the irrelevant argument (if you can even call it that) of shouting "FOX News", you know you've won the argument and that you've been debating with children.

Somehow the most popular and most watched cable new channel in the country, and by wide margins, is considered a pejorative to the clueless childish uniformed left.

Sometimes when you argue with these people it might be considered child abuse.

Taltarzac725 -
Ah, whatever!


tal - so disappointed in your response.

Originally Posted by buggyone

You should know that posting anything here is not going to change the minds of anyone else. Take a proactive stance instead of your posts which do not help your cause at all.

Originally Posted by buggyone

I am not wasting my time posting on this forum. I am expressing my viewpoints and trying to enlighten others who may not know what is happening. I am not trying to change their viewpoints - but if someone's viewpoints are changed based upon my postings, so much the better.

Buggy, you tell Bucco that posting here is not going to change the minds of anyone else, and that his posts do not help his cause at all. However when you post, you are "tryinging to enlighten others" and "if someone's viewpoints are changed, so much the better".

Is there no end to the negative comments we read and always digging up "old dirt"....Bottom line, buggyone is so right!

Originally Posted by buggyone

Well, Bucco, you will have your choice in November as to who you vote for President.

I am sure we will be seeing a negative campaign from both Republicans and Democrats here in Florida and the television ads will be overwhelming.

After both sides have their campaign, the voters will decide.

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Buggy, you tell Bucco that posting here is not going to change the minds of anyone else, and that his posts do not help his cause at all. However when you post, you are "tryinging to enlighten others" and "if someone's viewpoints are changed, so much the better".

On this forum, this is the game....to RUN AWAY from issues...do not discuss...not sure why but trying to figure it out...they post a lot but not about issues thus they like to post and do not KNOW anything about the issues ? Or they like to post but are afraid to discuss issues ?

I dont know....maybe the new way of discussing what is going on in the world is to just call names and see who is cuter or more snarly !!

Originally Posted by jebartle

Is there no end to the negative comments we read and always digging up "old dirt"....Bottom line, buggyone is so right!

There are a few ways to respond.

1. I did not start the post and have a right to respond with what I believe is the truth.

2. When you speak of "old dirt", do you disavow Romney's past which seems to be the constant and ONLY theme of defense of the current administration ?

3. When the poster you refer to starts really discussing issues, whenever that might be, then of course he stands a chance at being right. BUT, thus far.....


PS......WILL surely make a deal with you. I will talk ONLY about the current events, ONLY about the issues in this country.....problem is that NOBODY will respond to that at all ever. BUT I would love that deal. Can you get anyone else to go along with that then we will all be happy.