Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Both Social Security and Medicare are not budgeted in the annual budgets of the U.S. because those programs are supposed to be funded separate from the annual spending budgets created by Congress. Social Security is supposed to be funded by payroll taxes paid by both employers and employees. Medicare is supposed to be funded by insurance premiums paid by participants.

That being said, both programs might as well be included as line items in the federal budget because their funding has proven inadequate for many years, the shortfall in their funding being paid by special funding bills passed by Congress each year.

VK, May I ask what your profession was before retirement?

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Notwithstanding your suggestion, I still can't.

By the way, where's Rick Perry on the list? You were promoting him awhile back, weren't you?

I think I know how Santorum and Bachmann would vote per your query, and I believe they would vote with an eye toward austerity.

I still am a big fan of Rick Perry's ability to speak dynamically in promoting the conservative agenda that I believe the country needs, and in a way that will sway the fence sitters in a positive way, much as Reagan did. I'm just not as sure as the 2 mentioned above as to how he would legislate. Speech doesn't always indicate future action, as we all are much aware. On the campaign trail I still believe Gov. Perry would be hard to beat, at this point in time.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Notwithstanding your suggestion, I still can't.

By the way, where's Rick Perry on the list? You were promoting him awhile back, weren't you?

on this forum really don't get it. They live in a bubble down here, and frequently interact with like-minded people who serve to validate their right-wing opinions. However, it's a big country out there and most sane people don't support far right policies. Anyone who thinks that either Bachmann or Rick Santorum can win a general election has a few screws loose.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Notwithstanding your suggestion, I still can't.

By the way, where's Rick Perry on the list? You were promoting him awhile back, weren't you?

I think he is listening to God and waiting to get approval from his wife.

Originally Posted by actor

on this forum really don't get it. They live in a bubble down here, and frequently interact with like-minded people who serve to validate their right-wing opinions. However, it's a big country out there and most sane people don't support far right policies. Anyone who thinks that either Bachmann or Rick Santorum can win a general election has a few screws loose.

There are loose screws around here alright. Thank goodness they are the minority.
They called Reagan "far right." America leans to the right, always has.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Name me a few who are running for office. So far, I haven't seen any that meet your description.

Richielion named two. Perry is running. Palin, Cantor, Rubio. Christie, governor of Ohio, McDonnell.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

There are loose screws around here alright. Thank goodness they are the minority.
They called Reagan "far right." America leans to the right, always has.

that have recently come out must be way off base. You know the ones that show by a wide margin, the majority of Americans still blame GWB for the nation's economic ills. And the one that came out this week, that showed a big majority blamed the Republicans for the stalemate on the debt ceiling issue. And don't forget the most recent presidential preference poll that showed Obama easily beating Bachmann.

Who did they poll, themselves? All the polls I have seen Obama being defeated and rightfully so. The American people want the spending to stop. Listen to the people!!!!

Originally Posted by actor

on this forum really don't get it. They live in a bubble down here, and frequently interact with like-minded people who serve to validate their right-wing opinions. However, it's a big country out there and most sane people don't support far right policies. Anyone who thinks that either Bachmann or Rick Santorum can win a general election has a few screws loose.

November 2010 midterm elections. How soon you forget. But, keep on believing. It's fine with me.

Originally Posted by actor

that have recently come out must be way off base. You know the ones that show by a wide margin, the majority of Americans still blame GWB for the nation's economic ills. And the one that came out this week, that showed a big majority blamed the Republicans for the stalemate on the debt ceiling issue. And don't forget the most recent presidential preference poll that showed Obama easily beating Bachmann.

Only the liberal media polls where they ask "adults" what they think does Obama have a chance at a lead right now. In any poll where they ask registered voters their opinion, Obama loses. The last Gallup Poll has him losing to an unnamed Republican by 8 percentage point. But, believe what you want. You'll sleep better.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Only the liberal media polls where they ask "adults" what they think does Obama have a chance at a lead right now. In any poll where they ask registered voters their opinion, Obama loses. The last Gallup Poll has him losing to an unnamed Republican by 8 percentage point. But, believe what you want. You'll sleep better.

much better in polling than any of the announced candidates. The minute you substitute a Bachmann or a Perry for the unnamed candidate, the polls change a lot in Obama's favor.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Who did they poll, themselves? All the polls I have seen Obama being defeated and rightfully so. The American people want the spending to stop. Listen to the people!!!!

check this link.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1941.html

Originally Posted by actor

check this link.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1941.html

They don't say who they're polling, as to whether they're simply people walking around the local Walmart or registered voters. But what can you expect from a "left wing rag" (last bit I'm just using your ploy)

Inconsequential poll when they don't reveal who they polled.

Originally Posted by RichieLion;37***9

They don't say who they're polling, as to whether they're simply people walking around the local Walmart or registered voters. But what can you expect from a "left wing rag" (last bit I'm just using your ploy)

Inconsequential poll when they don't reveal who they polled.

again. They show results for all the major polling organizations, including your bible, Fox news.

Originally Posted by actor

again. They show results for all the major polling organizations, including your bible, Fox news.

All you got is FOX News to throw back when you're stumped for a intelligent response. As I've said before I rarely watch TV at all and I just as rarely watch FOX News. I may watch a news special but that's about it. If there's similar ideas it's because FOX News sounds like me, as I rarely listen to them.

I read and read and then I read some more. Try it; maybe you'll soften your biases and maybe you'll learn something you didn't know about the great love of your life. (You know the guy I'm talking about)

The limited poll you linked is only about Rep. Bachmann and she's far from being the candidate, and it's a long way to the convention and to the elections that follow. Our dreadful failure of a President is known by all and when you ask registered voters if they'll vote for him the majority say "no". That's the way it is, this day July 25th, 2011.