Well, you can definitely see that Obama is going to win again in November. Thinking women will not vote for a Republican as long as Limbaugh is still on the radio waves. Minorities will not vote for a Republican. Democrats will not vote for a Republican.

What do you have left in the Republican party? It looks as though the Republican voters will consist of Lassen and RichieLion.

What do you have left in the Republican party? It looks as though the Republican voters will consist of Lassen and RichieLion.

That was the I have nothing intelligent left to say so nah nah nah on you statement. It's no wonder America is in trouble.

Originally Posted by djplong

Is there some reason you keep building straw men to knock down? Do you know what Fluke actually SAID? You know - about the friend with cysts and all the other reasons for birth control?

And is there some reason you're calling these women 'sluts' but the guys they're supposedly having sex with are getting a free pass?

She said more than that. That wasn't her whole statement. She testified that sexually active students in Catholic colleges were in financial trouble because of birth control and somehow it's the Church's responsibility to provide it for them for free.

You cherry pick only one of her statements for an agenda.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

VK is on the high road as usual, and also, as usual, you take the low road. Limbaugh devotees call themselves ditto heads, apparently because they cannot think for themselves and simply say dittos to everything their guru says for them. Limbaugh has a few million devoted followers, who are simply like-minded bigots and he influences no one that isn't already inclinead to beleive like him. His oft-stated infuence, (by dittoheads like richie), is to influence only other right wingnuts and extremists, and he has never influenced a thinking electorate. I would, by the way, include bill maher in the same discussion. John Stewart has more ability in his little finger that either limbaugh or maher have in their entire body. Now richie pour out your self-righteous venom on me, just like your hero.

I don't have to. You post with it's drivel says enough. You have no idea what your talking about, and I don't have the inclination to correct you as you wouldn't care anyway as you sit with VK in your self righteousness.

Rush has been the highest rated, most influential broadcaster for over 20 years and this "gotcha" moment is not going to change that. It might even expand his audience as people tune is to see what this is all about and to hear what he will say to all the invective coming his way, and get intrigued by the brilliance in political observation that is his hallmark.

I don't have to attack you. It's you lefties who are attacking me. I'm just sitting here chuckling at the ignorance coming my way.

Originally Posted by janmcn

Someone needs to explain women's contraception to Rush Limbaugh. By his rantings, he seems to think that the more sex a woman has the more pills she needs to take. FYI Rush, a woman takes one pill a day whether she has sex or not. Limbaugh is confusing women's contraception with his own need for Viagra for his erectile dysfunction which, as I understand, must be taken each time before sexual activity.

BTW: three years ago today, Rush Limbaugh was detained by US Customs officials coming back from the Dominican Republic with some other guy's Viagra. Happy Anniversary Rush.

I think he knows. I think everyone knows. We also know that you can't force the Catholic Church in violation of it's First Amendment Rights to finance birth control. Amazing how that keeps coming up, and you lefties keep ignoring this, the most pertinent aspect of the conversation.

This female student was trying to convince Nancy Pelosi's sham committee that the sexual "needs" of college underclassmen in a Catholic University was of higher importance than that college's First Amendment protections.

is this really too hard for you to grasp?

Originally Posted by janmcn

Someone needs to explain women's contraception to Rush Limbaugh. By his rantings, he seems to think that the more sex a woman has the more pills she needs to take. FYI Rush, a woman takes one pill a day whether she has sex or not. Limbaugh is confusing women's contraception with his own need for Viagra for his erectile dysfunction which, as I understand, must be taken each time before sexual activity.

BTW: three years ago today, Rush Limbaugh was detained by US Customs officials coming back from the Dominican Republic with some other guy's Viagra. Happy Anniversary Rush.

typical character assignation ploy

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I think he knows. I think everyone knows. We also know that you can't force the Catholic Church in violation of it's First Amendment Rights to finance birth control. Amazing how that keeps coming up, and you lefties keep ignoring this, the most pertinent aspect of the conversation.

This female student was trying to convince Nancy Pelosi's sham committee that the sexual "needs" of college underclassmen in a Catholic University was of higher importance than that college's First Amendment protections.

is this really too hard for you to grasp?

No one is able to grasp anything but you richie. Amazing how brilliant you are and how stupid everyone else is. Please, please regale us with some more of your insights.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I think he knows. I think everyone knows. We also know that you can't force the Catholic Church in violation of it's First Amendment Rights to finance birth control. Amazing how that keeps coming up, and you lefties keep ignoring this, the most pertinent aspect of the conversation.

This female student was trying to convince Nancy Pelosi's sham committee that the sexual "needs" of college underclassmen in a Catholic University was of higher importance than that college's First Amendment protections.

is this really too hard for you to grasp?

President Obama came up with a compromise that the Catholic Church was satisfied with by having insurance companies pay for the contraception.

I'm not sure Rush knows how women's contraception works when he says "She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception". It doesn't matter if a person is having no sex, sex once a day, 10 times a day or 100 times a day, it still requires only one pill.

With 30 years experience in the health insurance industry, I can tell you it does not cost an employer group any more money in premiums to cover birth control pills. To the contrary, it costs more for the insurer to pay for the prenatal care and delivery of pregnant women so it is considered the norm for the pill to be covered. An employer group would specifically have to request they be excluded from coverage as it is an automatic benefit. The argument that it shouldn't have to be paid for by the college/church holds no water.
And I gotta say this - dklassen, it appears that you have an attraction to our President because it seems to me that you can think of nothing else.
VK, you are my hero with the most interesting and well-written posts. You don't talk much, but when you do people listen and think.
Richie, you continue to dumbfound me.
Back to obscurity..

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

No one is able to grasp anything but you richie. Amazing how brilliant you are and how stupid everyone else is. Please, please regale us with some more of your insights.

Anytime. I'm always here to provide you with the clarity you need. Thank goodness for that, huh?

Originally Posted by nitakk

The argument that it shouldn't have to be paid for by the college/church holds no water.

This statement holds no water, as you say. The First Amendment is crystal clear in it's simplicity. It's intent is clear. No matter how you or others would try to twist reality to redefine it's meaning and intent, it cannot be done.

You would have to overturn the First Amendment protection of Freedom of Religion to further your agenda, or get the Supreme Court to "redefine" it's meaning.

Originally Posted by dklassen

Well, there you have it. "bait"

For the next 9 months, let's talk about anything but what actually matters to America. The left would love that now wouldn't they?

Apparently all republicans want to talk about is women's reproductive rights as they try to pass "personhood" amendments, state-mandated trans-vaginal probe laws, defunding Planned Parenthood, trying to end the Susan G Koman breast cancer screenings, etc etc.

Rick Santorum, Gov Bob McDonald, Joe Arpaio, and Rush Limbaugh are the gifts that keep on giving to the re-elect Obama campaign.

Originally Posted by janmcn

President Obama came up with a compromise that the Catholic Church was satisfied with by having insurance companies pay for the contraception.

I don't know who is the Catholic Church was "satisfied". Did the Pope agree to Obama's "compromise"? Of whom are you speaking?

Churches that pass a four-part government test can win a conditional exclusion from the mandate, according to the regulation. Schools, hospitals, universities and charities run by religious communities would have to comply with the mandate, or pay expensive fines.

As reported in The Daily Caller website:

"On Feb. 10 Obama said he would “accommodate” public objections in 2013 by directing health insurance companies to provide free contraceptives to workers whose religious employers object to abetting contraception, instead of having the churches directly pay the insurance companies for the services.

However, Obama did not change the text of the Jan. 20 regulation, which was enacted Feb. 10, and did not acknowledge any error."

So, Obama said that the Church would not have to "pay" for the pharmaceuticals involved, and he was "mandating" that insurance companies give free pharmaceuticals to anyone who wants them?

Really??; the President can order private businesses to give away products??

The language in the original text is not changed and the actual recompense for these items is not clearly stated as to it's origins.

Smoke and mirrors Jan, it's all smoke and mirrors.



Read more: Barack Obama | Georgetown Student | Contraception Debate | The Daily Caller

Originally Posted by ceejay

I have to say that this is a "spot on" observation. Talk about anything ridiculous in the news in order to drive the attention away from the important matters.

I was going to ask why Ms. Fluke, as a reportedly 23 year old college co-ed, is not on her parents health insurance since she is under 26 years of age.

Then I found out that she is actually a 30 year old woman's rights activist and a past president of "Law Students for Reproductive Justice."

It sounds like a diversion plant to me...and I think Rush just got caught up in the moment.

So now we're all bashing Rush while gas, Afghanistan and everything else has been put on the back burners. Good grief

Good grief. Did President Obama bring up these issues? Wasn't it Rep Darrel Issa R-CA that conducted the hearing on women's health issues? Wasn't it Gov Bob McDonald R-VA who wrote the state-mandated vaginal probe law, wasn't it the republican state legislature in MS that tried to pass the now failed "personhood" amendmant, wasn't it Rick Santorum that said that state's have the right to ban contraception? Look around at all the republican legislatures around the country trying to pass these women's health issues bills, including FL.

President Obama goes all over the country talking jobs, the economy, foreign policy, while republicans continue to alienate more and more women.

I've given this issue a lot of thought and I've changed my position. I think Liberals should indeed have all the free birth control they want. Where do I send the check?