One more thing if I may.....I think that his name comes up a lot, especially on this forum, because if anyone is aware of Alinsky, they know that the little blurbs saying...."old rich white men"..."racist tea partiers"....giving a "white sheet award" being flippant and insulting about opponents from the opposing party are EXACTLY what Saul Alinsky would have people do.

In the internet age, he would be a troll for sure. He never talked much about ISSUES, only attack and make them hate you.

So with many posters on here, it is hard not to think of Alinsky a lot.

But remember he offers no end game....just a void for all that hate.

Seriously, thanks for the information on Saul Alinsky. Am I as well information as you are about Alinsky? Hell no! Not by a long shot, but I am not stupid. The unmistakable impression that the Republicans are throwing out there is that President Obama, and Hillary Clinton are walking lock step with Alinsky. Alinsky is a communist. Therefore, the logical conclusion is President Obama and Hillary Clinton will lead this country to communism.

Even on some of the posts here that referenced Alinsky, also gave that same impression. Some said that President Obama was following Alinsky's steps toward radicalism. If you knew the steps, you would see that. So, I printed steps. Everyone to an extent is following the steps. Say what you mean, and mean what you say. Following Alinsky's steps, and how to deal with an "enemy", doesn't mean you agree with his political leaning. Calling the other or both parties an "enemy", is ridiculous.

What I would like to see is all the negative ads stopped. That is impossible but, at least, don't try to mislead people. The Republicans tying to tie President Obama, and Hillary Clinton to Communism by saying they are followers of Alinsky is disingenuous at best.

Bernie Sanders hasn't, and doesn't intend to use negative ads in the primaries with Hillary, and the other Democrats running for president. I am looking forward to a discussion on the issues, rather than trying to defend yourself from misleading negative ads.

I am sorry. Trump is making the Republicans look like a circus full of clowns. Here is hoping his attitude changes, and the first debate is on the issues, and not all about him, and his silent majority followers.

[QUOTE=Guest;1088449]Seriously, thanks for the information on Saul Alinsky. Am I as well informed as you are about Alinsky? Hell no! Not by a long shot, but I am not stupid. The unmistakable impression that the Republicans are throwing out there is that President Obama, and Hillary Clinton are walking lock step with Alinsky. Alinsky is a communist. Therefore, the logical conclusion is President Obama and Hillary Clinton will lead this country to communism.
/QUOTE]

People should know that Saul was not a Communist but a very spiritural man. The Universal Unitarians are opinionated and liberal, to say the least. Saul's niece is now working in South Carolina with a Mexican-American cooperative to improve conditions for migrant workers and we still stay in touch to talk about the days of the past as well as her current efforts. Me? Just happy being in The Villages and riding around in my golf cart and playing bridge with friends.

Read rule 11. It is very clear. He understood that if you are going to tear something down you now have an obligation to have a constructive alternative. This is not simply anarchy but allows for the alternative to be a delivery of power to the people and away from central authority, or any other constructive alternative.

The OP cites Alinsky's 12 steps and intimates that they are used by both parties. Perhaps? Is there a difference in the game of politics to that of the application and intent of Alinsky's steps? I think so. Progressives both political and academic have applied these steps to blunt discussion to gain sole control, to indoctrinate etc. Look back at the response you get from progressives if you attempt a discussion about blacks or gays "racist " "homophobic". Look at education that focuses on gender race gay sex etc. In southern florida teachers are now told they have to teach 8th grade students about gays, transgender and go into detail about gay sex. Why do you think that is so? Progressives teach students America's colonial past as only evil. They don't teach the classics in many places because its all about evil white men. They pride themselves in diversity classes but don't teach civics, etc and continually re-write history .

But the real proof is in the application of Obama's policies as respects the below stated Alinsky 8 rules. In every aspect Obama has used each step
to transform America to Europe. Alinsky was a marxist/communist and he hated America.

How To control via A social State (Saul Alinsky)

Eight Levels of control:

1 Healthcare: Control healthcare and hence control the people
2 Poverty: increase the poverty level and control people by providing for them
3 Debt: Increase debt to high level so you can tax more and make poor poorer
4 Gun Control: Remove people’s ability to defend themselves
5 Welfare: Take control of people needs food shelter income
6 Education: Control what to read and what to hear
7 Religion: replace belief in god with belief in government
8 Class Warfare: divide the people into rich and poor

Need more be said.


Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

The OP cites Alinsky's 12 steps and intimates that they are used by both parties. Perhaps? Is there a difference in the game of politics to that of the application and intent of Alinsky's steps? I think so. Progressives both political and academic have applied these steps to blunt discussion to gain sole control, to indoctrinate etc. Look back at the response you get from progressives if you attempt a discussion about blacks or gays "racist " "homophobic". Look at education that focuses on gender race gay sex etc. In southern florida teachers are now told they have to teach 8th grade students about gays, transgender and go into detail about gay sex. Why do you think that is so? Progressives teach students America's colonial past as only evil. They don't teach the classics in many places because its all about evil white men. They pride themselves in diversity classes but don't teach civics, etc and continually re-write history .

But the real proof is in the application of Obama's policies as respects the below stated Alinsky 8 rules. In every aspect Obama has used each step
to transform America to Europe. Alinsky was a marxist/communist and he hated America.

How To control via A social State (Saul Alinsky)

Eight Levels of control:

1 Healthcare: Control healthcare and hence control the people
2 Poverty: increase the poverty level and control people by providing for them
3 Debt: Increase debt to high level so you can tax more and make poor poorer
4 Gun Control: Remove people’s ability to defend themselves
5 Welfare: Take control of people needs food shelter income
6 Education: Control what to read and what to hear
7 Religion: replace belief in god with belief in government
8 Class Warfare: divide the people into rich and poor

Need more be said.


Personal Best Regards:

No nothing more need to be said. Even those who support Obam would certainly have difficulty arguing against the above......assuming they put down the party banner for a minute.

Originally Posted by Guest

The OP cites Alinsky's 12 steps and intimates that they are used by both parties. Perhaps? Is there a difference in the game of politics to that of the application and intent of Alinsky's steps? I think so. Progressives both political and academic have applied these steps to blunt discussion to gain sole control, to indoctrinate etc. Look back at the response you get from progressives if you attempt a discussion about blacks or gays "racist " "homophobic". Look at education that focuses on gender race gay sex etc. In southern florida teachers are now told they have to teach 8th grade students about gays, transgender and go into detail about gay sex. Why do you think that is so? Progressives teach students America's colonial past as only evil. They don't teach the classics in many places because its all about evil white men. They pride themselves in diversity classes but don't teach civics, etc and continually re-write history .

But the real proof is in the application of Obama's policies as respects the below stated Alinsky 8 rules. In every aspect Obama has used each step
to transform America to Europe. Alinsky was a marxist/communist and he hated America.

How To control via A social State (Saul Alinsky)

Eight Levels of control:

1 Healthcare: Control healthcare and hence control the people
2 Poverty: increase the poverty level and control people by providing for them
3 Debt: Increase debt to high level so you can tax more and make poor poorer
4 Gun Control: Remove people’s ability to defend themselves
5 Welfare: Take control of people needs food shelter income
6 Education: Control what to read and what to hear
7 Religion: replace belief in god with belief in government
8 Class Warfare: divide the people into rich and poor

Need more be said.


Personal Best Regards:

Go to Snopes.com and you will find those 8 steps by Alinski are FALSE. He NEVER wrote or said the.

Please check your facts before posting or else you are a TROLL just putting down ludicrous posts in order to inflame others.

Originally Posted by Guest

Go to Snopes.com and you will find those 8 steps by Alinski are FALSE. He NEVER wrote or said the.

Please check your facts before posting or else you are a TROLL just putting down ludicrous posts in order to inflame others.

CALM DOWN AND REREAD

The 8 steps were NOT ATTRIBUTED TO ALINSKY IN ANY WAY.

Originally Posted by Guest

CALM DOWN AND REREAD

The 8 steps were NOT ATTRIBUTED TO ALINSKY IN ANY WAY.

SORRY....I AM THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO REREAD.

The post does, in fact, imply that they came from Alnsky.

SORRY

Don't let the distraction of whether he said what or not....the intent of the 8 listedand the alignment with the Obama agenda is spot on!

I don't think PBR is a troll. An Epsilon perhaps.

Originally Posted by Guest

Don't let the distraction of whether he said what or not....the intent of the 8 listedand the alignment with the Obama agenda is spot on!

In other words, put down any false statements, attribute them to whomever you want, and claim they are the blueprint for a President that you despise to take down the country?

Now, THAT is truly worthy of ridicule!

Nope. Most people just stick to the facts about Clinton. The most obvious one is that she has been caught in lies. By the way, you really should stop the name calling. It is getting old and deflects from whatever point you are trying to make.

Originally Posted by Guest

Those 12 steps sound exactly what the Regressives on this forum are doing with anyone who expresses a pro-Clinton opinion, don't they?

Dear Guests:

I am the poster who referenced Alinsky 8 steps to control a social state.
It was information I collected sometime ago. I should have verified it given all the junk on the internet these days, but I did not. My apology. It was never my attempt to pull a fast one on any poster and I do deserve to be criticized for my failure to verify. However a few posters went a bit too far in their direct attacks on my character.

Having said that the 8 steps listed still merit consideration because every last step was applied by Obama and they all are intended to create a social state and controlled by the federal government. Can one say that Obama extrapolated his applications in part from his studies of Alinsky? Don't know? But it does give one pause since both were community organizers

It is difficult to discuss a public figure especially one that is very controversial because emotions run high. Saint or sinner is left in the eye of the beholder.

Lessons in life tend to be painful or at least uncomfortable . Hopefully this lesson will stick with me. Again my apology.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guests:

I am the poster who referenced Alinsky 8 steps to control a social state.
It was information I collected sometime ago. I should have verified it given all the junk on the internet these days, but I did not. My apology. It was never my attempt to pull a fast one on any poster and I do deserve to be criticized for my failure to verify. However a few posters went a bit too far in their direct attacks on my character.

Having said that the 8 steps listed still merit consideration because every last step was applied by Obama and they all are intended to create a social state and controlled by the federal government. Can one say that Obama extrapolated his applications in part from his studies of Alinsky? Don't know? But it does give one pause since both were community organizers

It is difficult to discuss a public figure especially one that is very controversial because emotions run high. Saint or sinner is left in the eye of the beholder.

Lessons in life tend to be painful or at least uncomfortable . Hopefully this lesson will stick with me. Again my apology.

Personal Best Regards:

You should be applauded for showing character in owning up to an error.

I really think the poster who referenced Snopes now needs to step up and post the author notes after dispelling these, and speaks to the "power tactics" Alinsky proposed. They speak well to the discussion, but I will leave it to that poster to share them, as that would be the right thing to do.