Originally Posted by Yoda

What kind of person wants higher taxes? Why?

Yoda

Maybe the same type that abhors capitalism and would like to convert USA into a socialist state?

Originally Posted by Yoda

What kind of person wants higher taxes? Why?

Yoda

I think it's mostly a "hate Bush, love Obama" thing come hell or high water. The libs are never going to admit that a "Mussolini" is now in the White House, when they have so much wrapped up in him emotionally. I would think in the future there will be a bull market for therapists as the libs/progressives realize what happens when you get what you wished for.

Originally Posted by macro

Sorry, you're basing your argument on flawed logic. It's not a theory but proven fact, over and over again. What you and others can't bring themselves to accept is that individuals are able to survive and prosper by their own sweat, blood and tears, without government bailing them out. Bush was wrong to cave in and compromise with the TARP, we admit it. Corporations don't pay taxes, people do. Government doesn't create jobs, people and companies do. Nobody ever got a job from a poor person. As far as the Financial disaster goes, three words, Dodd, Frank, Obama. Those three had the biggest hand in creating the mess at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Maybe they didn't do the dirty deeds, but they certainly kept anything from being done about it until they got theirs out of it. Compromise and bipartisanship does NOT mean "Do it MY way, because I'm in power". It should mean; put all ideas on the table, then choose to use what is best, no matter who proposed it. And don't get me started on Obama's petulant whining that it's all the republican's fault he can't advance his progressive agenda.

Excuse me but you think that I haven't worked to get to where I am today. MG how elitist of you. Why shouldn't corporations pay taxes? Do they not make money? I pay taxes on the money I make. That is what is wrong with your position....

Then you make me laugh.....Obama wasn't even in office even this financial crisis hit yet you blame him for Freddie and Fannie. Get a grip.

The Repubs were handed a surplus and Obama was handed the biggest financial crisis since the great depression...How many years were the Repubs in charge of Congress...how much bi-partisanship did we see then? NADA. Bi-partisanship also doesn't mean negotiate to get everything you can into the bill and then vote against it....think Snow and now most likely Brown and then cry about how they just won't listen to you.

Do you think we still don't have the "I am the Decider line still ringing in our ears"?

Originally Posted by Yoda

What kind of person wants higher taxes? Why?

Yoda

Anything taken to extreme is not good. So I live in Colorado, in the summer, the land of TABOR. Taxpayer Bill of Rights...ever heard of it? Worse thing that ever happened to this state. The guy who authored it lives here in Colorado Springs....perhaps the worse part of this plan is whenever a surplus of taxes were collected this had to be returned to the taxpayers rather than being saved for a rainy day. As we all know the rainy day has hit....so when I go for a walk in the park no bathrooms are open, no trash bins....all the swimming pools are closed, no money. Police and fire departments cut...libraries closed. Schools...... Its a mess.

I am willing to pay my taxes...

The point is these tax cuts were sold as temporary to stimulate job creation and growth....they did NOT and are NOT to this day.

Originally Posted by Pats2010

Maybe the same type that abhors capitalism and would like to convert USA into a socialist state?

Typical Republican HATE SPEECH!

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I think it's mostly a "hate Bush, love Obama" thing come hell or high water. The libs are never going to admit that a "Mussolini" is now in the White House, when they have so much wrapped up in him emotionally. I would think in the future there will be a bull market for therapists as the libs/progressives realize what happens when you get what you wished for.

Are you using Mussolini cause you can't say the name you really want.

Originally Posted by cologal

Typical Republican HATE SPEECH!

That ain't hate. That is the facts. Anybody who uses taxpayers money to "create" a job and really believes it is a "created" job, is delusional.

Only the private sector can create a job. Government can only redistribute taxpayer money.

Typical Republican HATE SPEECH!

Typical left response.

If you don't agree with the Washington liberal socialist agenda you are branded as a racist, hater, bigot, homophobe or whatever their name of the day is.

That's really the only play they have left in their book because their actual ideology is and always has been a failure.

That's why liberals during campaigns have to sound conservative and move to the center to get elected. Problem with that is once elected the move hard left and proceed to reck the country. I think people are getting wise to that.

Originally Posted by dklassen

Typical left response.

If you don't agree with the Washington liberal socialist agenda you are branded as a racist, hater, bigot, homophobe or whatever their name of the day is.

That's really the only play they have left in their book because their actual ideology is and always has been a failure.

That's why liberals during campaigns have to sound conservative and move to the center to get elected. Problem with that is once elected the move hard left and proceed to reck the country. I think people are getting wise to that.

Recently someone in this forum suggest only that a poster needed a hug....that was branded as liberal hate speech. You said nothing...kinda makes your argument moot.

Originally Posted by dklassen

Typical left response.

If you don't agree with the Washington liberal socialist agenda you are branded as a racist, hater, bigot, homophobe or whatever their name of the day is.

That's really the only play they have left in their book because their actual ideology is and always has been a failure.

That's why liberals during campaigns have to sound conservative and move to the center to get elected. Problem with that is once elected the move hard left and proceed to reck the country. I think people are getting wise to that.

Exactly. They like to brand people and blame previous administrations for their shortcomings. (which are massive)

Originally Posted by Pats2010

Exactly. They like to brand people and blame previous administrations for their shortcomings. (which are massive)

And you all never engage in that activity.

Originally Posted by cologal

And you all never engage in that activity.

I know. Aren't we good?

Originally Posted by cologal

Excuse me but you think that I haven't worked to get to where I am today. MG how elitist of you. Why shouldn't corporations pay taxes? Do they not make money? I pay taxes on the money I make. That is what is wrong with your position....

Then you make me laugh.....Obama wasn't even in office even this financial crisis hit yet you blame him for Freddie and Fannie. Get a grip.

The Repubs were handed a surplus and Obama was handed the biggest financial crisis since the great depression...How many years were the Repubs in charge of Congress...how much bi-partisanship did we see then? NADA. Bi-partisanship also doesn't mean negotiate to get everything you can into the bill and then vote against it....think Snow and now most likely Brown and then cry about how they just won't listen to you.

Do you think we still don't have the "I am the Decider line still ringing in our ears"?

I fail to see the attack on you personally. No mention of that anywhere. I have no doubt you worked hard to get where you are. I also made no mention that corporations shouldn't pay taxes. Yes, corps. are taxed and that is added to their expenses as a cost of doing business, and ultimately passed on to the consumer. On a smaller scale, if you are gong to the store and a friend asks you to pick something up for them, say $20, do you just get your $20 back and pay the tax yourself? Maybe once in a while. But on a regular basis, you'll ask for the tax you paid too.
Glad you got a chuckle from that, no, I realize Obama was not in office yet, but, he was in the senate before he got promoted 'above his pay grade' (a perfect example of the 'Peter Principle') and when not campaiging, could vote (other than present) on proposals affecting financial regulation. A minor role, obviously, but his other ties and positions he held several places bother me more. I also notice you make no defense for Frank and Dodd.
Let's forget about the POTUS for a moment and look back. The only power of the office is in the Veto power and the 'bully pulpit'. Congress determines how much and where to spend. Repubs were NOT handed a surplus in '94. Major strains on the economy were 9/11, Katrina, followed by a war on terror, whatever your feelings on that war, all expensive but didn't require 2,000 page, unread 'porkulous' bills that cost trillions, to be passed. Snow is not exactly a shining example of a fiscally conservative republican. Only says what she needs to, to get elected. I am worried that Brown may move in that direction also. I have NO respect for ANY politician that does not stand by his/her principles. I disagree with Feingold but respect him for holding firm to his principles. Yes, Repubs failed to hold to their principles and that is what elections are for. (Term limits come to mind) Both sides are responsible for the current mess and it's time to clean house.
Remember, none of this is to be construed as an attack on you, personally but simply a discourse on our differing views. If we present facts and not rhetoric, we are both richer for the experience.

Originally Posted by cologal

Are you using Mussolini cause you can't say the name you really want.

Boy this thread really has you riled doesn't it. As my teachers always said "The truth hurts". You're going a little off the wall here.

Don't try to put words in my mouth or twist the words I do utter. I said exactly who I meant. Look up the history of the rise of Mussolini and see if the fascist/socialist state he created isn't eerily similar to was is incrementally being created right here in our country.

I pretty sure who you were referring to in your post, but I think the last time I heard that name it was by your friends referring to the former president.

P.S. Wait!!, I must be nuts. You see the correlation in the Mussolini and Obama regimes? Sorry; I just realized what I was asking.

Originally Posted by macro

I fail to see the attack on you personally. No mention of that anywhere. I have no doubt you worked hard to get where you are. I also made no mention that corporations shouldn't pay taxes. Yes, corps. are taxed and that is added to their expenses as a cost of doing business, and ultimately passed on to the consumer. On a smaller scale, if you are gong to the store and a friend asks you to pick something up for them, say $20, do you just get your $20 back and pay the tax yourself? Maybe once in a while. But on a regular basis, you'll ask for the tax you paid too.
Glad you got a chuckle from that, no, I realize Obama was not in office yet, but, he was in the senate before he got promoted 'above his pay grade' (a perfect example of the 'Peter Principle') and when not campaigning, could vote (other than present) on proposals affecting financial regulation. A minor role, obviously, but his other ties and positions he held several places bother me more. I also notice you make no defense for Frank and Dodd.
Let's forget about the POUTS for a moment and look back. The only power of the office is in the Veto power and the 'bully pulpit'. Congress determines how much and where to spend. Repubs were NOT handed a surplus in '94. Major strains on the economy were 9/11, Katrina, followed by a war on terror, whatever your feelings on that war, all expensive but didn't require 2,000 page, unread 'porkulous' bills that cost trillions, to be passed. Snow is not exactly a shining example of a fiscally conservative republican. Only says what she needs to, to get elected. I am worried that Brown may move in that direction also. I have NO respect for ANY politician that does not stand by his/her principles. I disagree with Feingold but respect him for holding firm to his principles. Yes, Repubs failed to hold to their principles and that is what elections are for. (Term limits come to mind) Both sides are responsible for the current mess and it's time to clean house.
Remember, none of this is to be construed as an attack on you, personally but simply a discourse on our differing views. If we present facts and not rhetoric, we are both richer for the experience.

From your orginal post Corporations don't pay taxes, people do. Why shouldn't Corporations pay taxes? The Supreme Court just made them people a few weeks ago....Let them be taxed. I didn't defend Dodd because he has no defense....however Frank is just another Republican punching bag....lets attack the gay guy. Frank wasn't chairman of the committee as long as the Repubs were. But I am glad you also admit that the Repubs surely were not fiscal conservitives. But Clinton did leave a surplus.... Protested the war.

I agree and have said many times there is blame enough to go around.....

I too enjoy a good debate.