Maybe we can expound on the three choice presented by the Iran agreement in another post, agreement, no agreement, or war.

If Congress agrees with it by not overriding the veto, then the conversation ends there.

No agreement. Tom Cotton wants us to go back to the negotiation table, and make a better deal. That is totally unrealistic. The UN Security Counsel has approved the deal 15-0. The European alliance has removed oil against Iran, which was hurting their economies. Russia, and China probably won't accept any further sanctions against Iran, unless Iran violates the agreement. England, and France like the agreement. If Congress overrides the veto, we will be standing alone.

If Congress overrides the veto, they have to put forward what the acceptable alternative is. We do not have to live up to the agreement, but why should Iran care, what we do, if we are the only ones that object to the agreement. Once the agreement was reached by the P5 plus one, it was a pretty much a done deal.

So, the Republicans should do what they do best, bitch forever about Obama's irresponsible actions, and never but never offer an alternative. They have so cover on this one, because Democrats will have to go against their president to override the veto.

Talk about Obama's legacy. It will be enhanced, if all other countries abide by the agreement, and it works. Obama will have a "big I told you so".

War. Is not an alternative for us. However, Israel is another story.

Very good post.

There are not enough votes to over ride a Presidential veto. Congress could not come up with a better deal.

Look at the Republicans trying to undo the ACA. 40 times and they still failed. And the Republicans never came up with an alternative. Just the Party of No.

And then of course there is the option taken off the table by the president to ramp up what was working, ie. The sanctions and insist on total dismantling.

Dont expect the GOP to come up with an alternative---did they come up with another health care plan? Nope! This is "too hot" for anything but the old Partisian politics. It's very predicable.

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Dont expect the GOP to come up with an alternative---did they come up with another health care plan? Nope! This is "too hot" for anything but the old Partisian politics. It's very predicable.

How idiotic is it to depict this as partisan politics? That's exactly what you are doing.

The issue here is risk of war with a nuclear armed Iran and putting the US at risk long term which is what this does. Our generation skates by .... our kids and grandkids are the ones that suffer thanks to Obama / Kerry fecklessness and weak minded approach to realpolitik. God help us (sorry if the word God offends anyone )

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How idiotic is it to depict this as partisan politics? That's exactly what you are doing.

The issue here is risk of war with a nuclear armed Iran and putting the US at risk long term which is what this does. Our generation skates by .... our kids and grandkids are the ones that suffer thanks to Obama / Kerry fecklessness and weak minded approach to realpolitik. God help us (sorry if the word God offends anyone )

It appears to me, and many others, especially on this forum that what is good for our country is trumped every time by what looks good politically. Those in this forum do not read, do not understand and they debunk any and all that might even look bad politically.

I suppose, when discussing pure politics that might play, but international affairs is much too serious to be rendered as what party looks what way.

President Obama, and John Kerry know the political in fight that is going on between the parties in the US. Maybe they should have brought in a responsible Republican in the negotiations with Iran. It couldn't have hurt any, and the Republicans would know what was obtainable, and what was not. If Republicans can't trust one of their own, what can you do? It wouldn't have stopped this legacy nonsense that comes up with everything President Obama does, but this would have almost guaranteed a veto proof agreement.

One of the things that the Republicans did bring up on the ACA was letting health insurance carriers cross state line. Competition would drive down insurance rates. that might have helped the people that have insurance, but do very little for people that can't afford it.

One change that should be acceptable to both parties is remove the penalty for not having insurance for people that live in states that didn't accept Medicaid funds. These people seem to be punished twice for the same crime.

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And then of course there is the option taken off the table by the president to ramp up what was working, ie. The sanctions and insist on total dismantling.

Thank you very much. I just wonder why this was not option number one on the list?

Why is it not even discussed here or in the media or addressed by Obama or the WH as an option.

And for those ready to pounce, do not try the fable that it wasn't working.
Of course it was working. Along with more strict sanctions would eventually force the Iranians hand.

But this option of course does not allow Obam or his minions to make it look like he was able to extend the magic olive branch and be friends around the camp fire singing Koom by yah! And then being able to say see....we can make progress.....and of course the sanctions would not follow his legacy time table.

Another forced fit Obama ram rod personal gain issue, sucked up by the gullibles.

Why it so hard for Republicans to understand that we weren't working alone in stopping Iran from getting a nuclear bomb? The sanctions that were relieved to get Iran to the bargaining table weren't that great.

Everything isn't about President Obama. Everything that he is doing isn't wrong. Maybe the Republicans in Congress can get off their asses from the cheap seats, and offer solutions to the current problems. Criticize, condemn, and complain is all they think they are required to do. They are getting standing ovations from their supporters for doing nothing. They should all feel so proud for doing what comes naturally. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****.

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Why it so hard for Republicans to understand that we weren't working alone in stopping Iran from getting a nuclear bomb? The sanctions that were relieved to get Iran to the bargaining table weren't that great.

Everything isn't about President Obama. Everything that he is doing isn't wrong. Maybe the Republicans in Congress can get off their asses from the cheap seats, and offer solutions to the current problems. Criticize, condemn, and complain is all they think they are required to do. They are getting standing ovations from their supporters for doing nothing. They should all feel so proud for doings what comes naturally. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****.

Why! Democrats didn't do nothing when they had both. Even if they did offer solutions obummer would just veto. MMMmmm, sounds just like liberal democrat. Blame blame blame.

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Why! Democrats didn't do nothing when they had both. Even if they did offer solutions obummer would just veto. MMMmmm, sounds just like liberal democrat. Blame blame blame.

Obama didn't need to he had dingy Harry to can the house solutions, didn't even make it to the senate floor for vote. Some of the best known liars are democrats Harry Reid nod his lobbying family was the Kings.

Some Republicans here really do live in alternative universe. In June, 2010, the UN, which I think we were a member then, issued the harsh sanctions that brought Iran to the bargaining table. I could be wrong, 2009 and 2010 the Democrats did control both parts of Congress. I might have missed it, but I don't remember the President's veto being overridden by Congress in 2009-2010.

Now, I fully understand why Republicans think we were the only ones working on an agreement with Iran. They don't inhabit the same world that we currently live in. In their world, the Republican party is all knowing, all seeing, and never wrong. Offer an alternative, why? People in the real world are so far beneath us, we don't have the time to explain anything to them. They would never understand anything we say anyway. So, talking to this lower form of life is just a waste of our time.

If Democrats didn't do anything of substance in 2009-2010, why is ACA such a problem? Maybe they didn't do anything in 2009-2010, because Mitch McConnell, the filibuster king, stopped everything from going anywhere. Why? It was a matter of principle. Again, Republicans are never wrong. Even considering anything the Democrats proposed was just wasting their time. The only time that Democrats are welcomed in our world is when they pick up our garbage. Reality! Reality! Reality!

Originally Posted by Guest

Some Republicans here really do live in alternative universe. In June, 2010, the UN, which I think we were a member then, issued the harsh sanctions that brought Iran to the bargaining table. I could be wrong, 2009 and 2010 the Democrats did control both parts of Congress. I might have missed it, but I don't remember the President's veto being overridden by Congress in 2009-2010.

Now, I fully understand why Republicans think we were the only ones working on an agreement with Iran. They don't inhabit the same world that we currently live in. In their world, the Republican party is all knowing, all seeing, and never wrong. Offer an alternative, why? People in the real world are so far beneath us, we don't have the time to explain anything to them. They would never understand anything we say anyway. So, talking to this lower form of life is just a waste of our time.

If Democrats didn't do anything of substance in 2009-2010, why is ACA such a problem? Maybe they didn't do anything in 2009-2010, because Mitch McConnell, the filibuster king, stopped everything from going anywhere. Why? It was a matter of principle. Again, Republicans are never wrong. Even considering anything the Democrats proposed was just wasting their time. The only time that Democrats are welcomed in our world is when they pick up our garbage. Reality! Reality! Reality!

Nicely stated, but anyone who has been paying attention for the past six years knows that President Obama always gets his way; ie ACA, TPA, etc. Republicans jump up and down, bedwetting and setting their hair on fire, while Obama continues to give them just enough rope to hang themselves.

Do not bet against this president as he is just getting fired up and ready to go in his final year and a half.

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Nicely stated, but anyone who has been paying attention for the past six years knows that President Obama always gets his way; ie ACA, TPA, etc. Republicans jump up and down, bedwetting and setting their hair on fire, while Obama continues to give them just enough rope to hang themselves.

Do not bet against this president as he is just getting fired up and ready to go in his final year and a half.

And royally up the country while padding his and his first lady's needs to continue their racist endeavors where they left off before suckering some Americans into putting him in office.

Yup be proud of the administration that accelerated the demise of the America most of us know and love and defend.

Originally Posted by Guest

Nicely stated, but anyone who has been paying attention for the past six years knows that President Obama always gets his way; ie ACA, TPA, etc. Republicans jump up and down, bedwetting and setting their hair on fire, while Obama continues to give them just enough rope to hang themselves.

Do not bet against this president as he is just getting fired up and ready to go in his final year and a half.

This post has strayed so very far from reality it is not even close.

I will not defend the Republican Party in any way, but to present AS FACT that they could do one single thing during the periods mentions. You ignore the complete and total destruction of all Senate procedures by Harry Reid, and talk as if the Democratic Party in congress would do anything to upset this President; a president and Senate head who both have the reputation of taking names and getting even.

You know, the more I hear from those of you who just do not care about any facts and change history to fit your needs, the more I am liking Trump.

And be proud of your President who is a great politician, but a lousy leader, a terrible state and despite my stated feelings about his character being beyond reproach, I now question that evaluation. Playing games is not leadership...telling lies, and someone said on here in the last day or so in defending him, that they were not lies, but some things did not work out as he said.

No way, they were lies, and despite the revisionist history that you try to run here, it is slowly unraveling.

The most recent Iran trickery with the UN makes those in the party proud, but the world sees what he did. The Saudi's now jump ship joined by many others in the ME.

His legacy,of which they say is important to him, will eventually shine through. His,lies,once he no longer has the hammer will be, not exposed..they already are, but will become validated as people become able to speak freely.