"The present focus on symbols of slavery reminds me of growing up in the 1930's when some 10,000 former slaves were still alive in the US.

One of the few times I heard any mention of slavery was in connection with the Federal Writers Project, a New Deal program that published a booklet of interviews with ex-slaves.

What struck me was the variety of experiences. At one extreme was the border state slave that was allowed to work for neighbors and keep the money he earned. At the other extreme were slaves from plantations beaten and abused by oppressive overseers.

Civil war veterans were still around in the 1930's . None would say the war was about slavery. The Union veterans said they fought to preserve the union , and the Confederates to defend against Northern invasion of Southern States

In the late 1960's when the American black family structure had begun to crumble and the number of babies born out of wedlock was increasing some blamed slavery. But in the 1930's the vast majority of black families were intact.

My maternal grandfather died when I was 14 recalled playing with slave children when he was a child. Like most Southern families, his owned no slaves. In addition to being ethically opposed to slavery, he found it uneconomically. In the 1850's buying a slave cost more than what people made in a year. The slave and his family, if he had one, needed a place to live as well as food and clothing and care when sick or old. Showing a bit of regional bias , my grandfather said that in the North an employer could hire an immigrant pay them a pittance and let them go when they were too old or too sick to work.

A few years ago, before the current assault on Confederate statues people were up in arms about the public display of the Confederate flag. In the 1930's the flag was hardly ever displayed in the South. I would attribute that to a song popular in the postbellum South, "The Conquered Banner". The lyrics were a 1865 poem by Father Abram Joseph Ryan, a Confederate army chaplain , who became known as "poet laureate of the postwar South".

The last stanza exhorted: "Furl that banner...unfold it never". Robert E. Lee strongly agreed. In 1869 he wrote of his desire to "obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings of endangered".

Only in the 1950's did the greatly proliferated flag become a symbol of the opposition to desegregation with the flag design even appearing on beach towels and bikinis. Father Ryan and General Lee would have been appalled by the base exploitation of the old Conquered Banner. And African-Americans, who have every reason to be offended by the flag ,understandably delight in its increasing disappearance from public view"

William Lloyd Stearman
Author
An American Adventure, From Early Aviation Through Three Wars to the white House

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Originally Posted by Guest

"The present focus on symbols of slavery reminds me of growing up in the 1930's when some 10,000 former slaves were still alive in the US.

One of the few times I heard any mention of slavery was in connection with the Federal Writers Project, a New Deal program that published a booklet of interviews with ex-slaves.

What struck me was the variety of experiences. At one extreme was the border state slave that was allowed to work for neighbors and keep the money he earned. At the other extreme were slaves from plantations beaten and abused by oppressive overseers.

Civil war veterans were still around in the 1930's . None would say the war was about slavery. The Union veterans said they fought to preserve the union , and the Confederates to defend against Northern invasion of Southern States

In the late 1960's when the American black family structure had begun to crumble and the number of babies born out of wedlock was increasing some blamed slavery. But in the 1930's the vast majority of black families were intact.

My maternal grandfather died when I was 14 recalled playing with slave children when he was a child. Like most Southern families, his owned no slaves. In addition to being ethically opposed to slavery, he found it uneconomically. In the 1850's buying a slave cost more than what people made in a year. The slave and his family, if he had one, needed a place to live as well as food and clothing and care when sick or old. Showing a bit of regional bias , my grandfather said that in the North an employer could hire an immigrant pay them a pittance and let them go when they were too old or too sick to work.

A few years ago, before the current assault on Confederate statues people were up in arms about the public display of the Confederate flag. In the 1930's the flag was hardly ever displayed in the South. I would attribute that to a song popular in the postbellum South, "The Conquered Banner". The lyrics were a 1865 poem by Father Abram Joseph Ryan, a Confederate army chaplain , who became known as "poet laureate of the postwar South".

The last stanza exhorted: "Furl that banner...unfold it never". Robert E. Lee strongly agreed. In 1869 he wrote of his desire to "obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings of endangered".

Only in the 1950's did the greatly proliferated flag become a symbol of the opposition to desegregation with the flag design even appearing on beach towels and bikinis. Father Ryan and General Lee would have been appalled by the base exploitation of the old Conquered Banner. And African-Americans, who have every reason to be offended by the flag ,understandably delight in its increasing disappearance from public view"

William Lloyd Stearman
Author
An American Adventure, From Early Aviation Through Three Wars to the white House

Personal Best Regards:

NO exaggerations in those stories I bet...NOT!

Some farmers treat their livestock better than others...

Because the war WASN'T over slavery. It was over the north taxing the sh!t out of the south's cotton and the south wanting to break away to form their own government...you know...like WE did to England. They had EVERY right to secede...but Lincoln wanted those tax dollars! The south had all the money.

Welfare did that...80-90% of black families are single mother. You can't collect as much with an intact family...so the blacks don't have intact families. It's simple math.

The Irish...Polish...Italians...ALL were treated as slaves...ALL overcame. How? They're white.

I'm offended by the sight of African Americans and I'd "delight in its increasing disappearance from public view".

They are NOT us...and by FORCING them into everything...we are bringing EVERYTHING down.

Disagree? PROVE it!

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Originally Posted by Guest

"The present focus on symbols of slavery reminds me of growing up in the 1930's when some 10,000 former slaves were still alive in the US.

One of the few times I heard any mention of slavery was in connection with the Federal Writers Project, a New Deal program that published a booklet of interviews with ex-slaves.

What struck me was the variety of experiences. At one extreme was the border state slave that was allowed to work for neighbors and keep the money he earned. At the other extreme were slaves from plantations beaten and abused by oppressive overseers.

Civil war veterans were still around in the 1930's . None would say the war was about slavery. The Union veterans said they fought to preserve the union , and the Confederates to defend against Northern invasion of Southern States

In the late 1960's when the American black family structure had begun to crumble and the number of babies born out of wedlock was increasing some blamed slavery. But in the 1930's the vast majority of black families were intact.

My maternal grandfather died when I was 14 recalled playing with slave children when he was a child. Like most Southern families, his owned no slaves. In addition to being ethically opposed to slavery, he found it uneconomically. In the 1850's buying a slave cost more than what people made in a year. The slave and his family, if he had one, needed a place to live as well as food and clothing and care when sick or old. Showing a bit of regional bias , my grandfather said that in the North an employer could hire an immigrant pay them a pittance and let them go when they were too old or too sick to work.

A few years ago, before the current assault on Confederate statues people were up in arms about the public display of the Confederate flag. In the 1930's the flag was hardly ever displayed in the South. I would attribute that to a song popular in the postbellum South, "The Conquered Banner". The lyrics were a 1865 poem by Father Abram Joseph Ryan, a Confederate army chaplain , who became known as "poet laureate of the postwar South".

The last stanza exhorted: "Furl that banner...unfold it never". Robert E. Lee strongly agreed. In 1869 he wrote of his desire to "obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings of endangered".

Only in the 1950's did the greatly proliferated flag become a symbol of the opposition to desegregation with the flag design even appearing on beach towels and bikinis. Father Ryan and General Lee would have been appalled by the base exploitation of the old Conquered Banner. And African-Americans, who have every reason to be offended by the flag ,understandably delight in its increasing disappearance from public view"

William Lloyd Stearman
Author
An American Adventure, From Early Aviation Through Three Wars to the white House

Personal Best Regards:

History is incredibly complex. And a lot depends on this historian writing it. There are some very good books on slavery in western culture which you might want to look at. Project MUSE - <i>The Problem of Slavery in the Age of Revolution 1770-1823</i> (review)

Originally Posted by Guest

NO exaggerations in those stories I bet...NOT!

Some farmers treat their livestock better than others...

Because the war WASN'T over slavery. It was over the north taxing the sh!t out of the south's cotton and the south wanting to break away to form their own government...you know...like WE did to England. They had EVERY right to secede...but Lincoln wanted those tax dollars! The south had all the money.

Welfare did that...80-90% of black families are single mother. You can't collect as much with an intact family...so the blacks don't have intact families. It's simple math.

The Irish...Polish...Italians...ALL were treated as slaves...ALL overcame. How? They're white.

I'm offended by the sight of African Americans and I'd "delight in its increasing disappearance from public view".

They are NOT us...and by FORCING them into everything...we are bringing EVERYTHING down.

Disagree? PROVE it!

Unbelievable and discusting racist. Forgive him Jesus as he is consumed by Satan.

PBR is becoming a set-up man for Donny B.

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Originally Posted by Guest

History is incredibly complex. And a lot depends on this historian writing it. There are some very good books on slavery in western culture which you might want to look at. Project MUSE - <i>The Problem of Slavery in the Age of Revolution 1770-1823</i> (review)

"His-Story" is full of BS...that's why it SEEMS "complex".

The north was more "industrialized" with more "skilled" labor than the south which was mostly agrarian needing a LOT of labor...but non-skilled. In the north...slavery gave a business owner an advantage over a "free man" business owner. The latter having to pay out more in labor costs. NO white wanted to do the field work in the south...so they imported slaves...draft animals...to do it. It was COMPETITION that kept most slavery out of the north...and nobody WANTING the jobs in the south that kept slavery there. The Civil War was over taxation as much as the Revolutionary war was.

IF there had been no oil discovery...if earth had no abundant energy supply rivaling oil...we would today still have slaves. Mechanization freed the slaves...not abolitionists.

Originally Posted by Guest

Unbelievable and discusting racist. Forgive him Jesus as he is consumed by Satan.

The truth sucks...huh? Got a problem with anything I say...be a hero and prove me wrong...good luck.

Negros are not humans...THAT is WHY they are ALWAYS at the bottom of EVERY society...in EVERY country.

I'm just the messenger.

Indeed the civil war was over the tariff's the north wanted to imposed on southern states. The reason wasn't drawing a favorable reaction and so the powers to be turned to slavery at first as a means to threaten the south source of labor which quickly moved to a movement to abolish slavery.

The author makes an interesting observation in explaining that black families were intact in 1930 yet by 1960 they splintered badly. Why?

Also note he claims that the confederate flag came back into prominence because of the push to desegregate.

did the government's interference in race relation help or hurt?

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

Indeed the civil war was over the tariff's the north wanted to imposed on southern states. The reason wasn't drawing a favorable reaction and so the powers to be turned to slavery at first as a means to threaten the south source of labor which quickly moved to a movement to abolish slavery.

The author makes an interesting observation in explaining that black families were intact in 1930 yet by 1960 they splintered badly. Why?

Also note he claims that the confederate flag came back into prominence because of the push to desegregate.

did the government's interference in race relation help or hurt?

Personal Best Regards:

WHY do you care? Why do WE care about them? 99% of them live hidden away in crime infested ghettos...the black areas are ALWAYS the "no-go" areas. In 150 years...WITH HELP...they haven't amounted to sh!t...neither here nor in ANY country. WHY? They're an invasive species! They need roundup...not fertilizer.

Originally Posted by Guest

"The present focus on symbols of slavery reminds me of growing up in the 1930's when some 10,000 former slaves were still alive in the US.

One of the few times I heard any mention of slavery was in connection with the Federal Writers Project, a New Deal program that published a booklet of interviews with ex-slaves.

What struck me was the variety of experiences. At one extreme was the border state slave that was allowed to work for neighbors and keep the money he earned. At the other extreme were slaves from plantations beaten and abused by oppressive overseers.

Civil war veterans were still around in the 1930's . None would say the war was about slavery. The Union veterans said they fought to preserve the union , and the Confederates to defend against Northern invasion of Southern States

In the late 1960's when the American black family structure had begun to crumble and the number of babies born out of wedlock was increasing some blamed slavery. But in the 1930's the vast majority of black families were intact.

My maternal grandfather died when I was 14 recalled playing with slave children when he was a child. Like most Southern families, his owned no slaves. In addition to being ethically opposed to slavery, he found it uneconomically. In the 1850's buying a slave cost more than what people made in a year. The slave and his family, if he had one, needed a place to live as well as food and clothing and care when sick or old. Showing a bit of regional bias , my grandfather said that in the North an employer could hire an immigrant pay them a pittance and let them go when they were too old or too sick to work.

A few years ago, before the current assault on Confederate statues people were up in arms about the public display of the Confederate flag. In the 1930's the flag was hardly ever displayed in the South. I would attribute that to a song popular in the postbellum South, "The Conquered Banner". The lyrics were a 1865 poem by Father Abram Joseph Ryan, a Confederate army chaplain , who became known as "poet laureate of the postwar South".

The last stanza exhorted: "Furl that banner...unfold it never". Robert E. Lee strongly agreed. In 1869 he wrote of his desire to "obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings of endangered".

Only in the 1950's did the greatly proliferated flag become a symbol of the opposition to desegregation with the flag design even appearing on beach towels and bikinis. Father Ryan and General Lee would have been appalled by the base exploitation of the old Conquered Banner. And African-Americans, who have every reason to be offended by the flag ,understandably delight in its increasing disappearance from public view"

William Lloyd Stearman
Author
An American Adventure, From Early Aviation Through Three Wars to the white House

Personal Best Regards:

Interesting.

Originally Posted by Guest

WHY do you care? Why do WE care about them? 99% of them live hidden away in crime infested ghettos...the black areas are ALWAYS the "no-go" areas. In 150 years...WITH HELP...they haven't amounted to sh!t...neither here nor in ANY country. WHY? They're an invasive species! They need roundup...not fertilizer.

Remember.... "right of association".

Originally Posted by Guest

Remember.... "right of association".

No...actually I don't remember it...it's been so long since I could exercise it. Just try to keep a black OUT of anything...see what happens to you.

HAVE to admit black "students"...HAVE to hire a certain percentage of them...HAVE to let them into a neighborhood even though NOBODY wants them there. CAN'T exclude them from ANYTHING.

WHERE is MY right to association...I see their "right" overshadowing mine.