Originally Posted by Lou Card

Hummmmm. Somebody is not telling the straight truth. Call me a silly boy, but I put my trust in my countries President. When one Glenn Beck's candidates becomes president, I will give him/her my respect and support as well. Don't reelect Obama if that is your will, but support your sitting president.

Silly boy it is!!!!! President Bush, when he was the sitting president, was lobbying for the 2-4% private fund. Don't be blind, look it up.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

Hummmmm. Somebody is not telling the straight truth. Call me a silly boy, but I put my trust in my countries President. When one Glenn Beck's candidates becomes president, I will give him/her my respect and support as well. Don't reelect Obama if that is your will, but support your sitting president.

Did you support the sitting President (GW Bush) when he proposed this plan ? Doesn't sound like it. I can support the President all day as an institution but be against the president's policies at the same time. I will never support Obama's socialist policies. Can't wait to vote him out.

Originally Posted by pauld315

Did you support the sitting President (GW Bush) when he proposed this plan ? Doesn't sound like it. I can support the President all day as an institution but be against the president's policies at the same time. I will never support Obama's socialist policies. Can't wait to vote him out.

Yes I did. I voted for George Bush both times and supported him all 8 years. I would have voted for John M. if he would have left that Alaska Governor in Alaska.

Lou - you are a man of contradicitons. You say you voted for W and supported him yet you say you were against his plan for Social Security privitization. So, now it is OK to be against a president's policies ?

Originally Posted by pauld315

Lou - you are a man of contradicitons. You say you voted for W and supported him yet you say you were against his plan for Social Security privitization. So, now it is OK to be against a president's policies ?

It should be very clear. I did support Bush, but Obama does not like the plan, so I support him. I never liked the plan under Bush, but I don't think he did either. Chaney was the driving force in most of George's policies.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

It should be very clear. I did support Bush, but Obama does not like the plan, so I support him. I never liked the plan under Bush, but I don't think he did either. Chaney was the driving force in most of George's policies.

How do you justify such statements?????????

Originally Posted by Lou Card

It should be very clear. I did support Bush, but Obama does not like the plan, so I support him. I never liked the plan under Bush, but I don't think he did either. Chaney was the driving force in most of George's policies.

"Cheney was the driving force in most of George's policies"? That old canard.
Lou; it doesn't sound like respect for the president to me when you demean his intelligence and leadership this way.

Respect for the office of The President doesn't mean I have to blindly support ill conceived policies, does it? I refuse to follow anyone over the cliff. Call me silly, but that's the way I am.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

"Cheney was the driving force in most of George's policies"? That old canard.
Lou; it doesn't sound like respect for the president to me when you demean his intelligence and leadership this way.

Respect for the office of The President doesn't mean I have to blindly support ill conceived policies, does it? I refuse to follow anyone over the cliff. Call me silly, but that's the way I am.

If you don't think Cheney was the man in charge you were not paying attention.

Richie, remember, I was 22 years military and be it right or wrong, I WOULD FOLLOW MY LEADER OVER THE CLIFF. Thats just the way a true military man is. Without complete loyalty to your leader is to have chaos. When just any one in the crowd starts making decisions against the leader ii becomes a direct route to failure.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

If you don't think Cheney was the man in charge you were not paying attention.

Richie, remember, I was 22 years military and be it right or wrong, I WOULD FOLLOW MY LEADER OVER THE CLIFF. Thats just the way a true military man is. Without complete loyalty to your leader is to have chaos. When just any one in the crowd starts making decisions against the leader ii becomes a direct route to failure.

This goes off subject but I want to ask you to think about something Lou. When you took the US Armed Forces Oath of Enlistment, you didn't promise to follow your leader over the cliff. But I get what you are saying. That is honorable.

What you did say in the oath was to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; bear true faith and allegiance to the US Constitution. PERIOD Nothing more. Nothing less.

Then comes the part about obeying the orders of the US President and officers appointed over you. There is no PERIOD here. The oath dealing with obeying orders goes on to say, "...according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

The Constitution comes before anything else in that oath. Defending the Constitution doesn't come with any stipulations or according to's. When someone says Obama, or anyone for that matter, is going against the Constitution and they are trying to destroy the principles in that important document that is the foundation of our liberties and freedoms, I hope you research what they say and try to understand how important it is to understand what is happening to this country. Just something to think about.

"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

BK Cunningham. Like Jack Nicholson said "you make me want to be a better man".

BK, I think you know I only believe half of what I say in here, but it is an integral part of the back and forth that make a certain 5 members of the Political forum continue to have a heart beat. If everyone treated liberals in here like you do, I for one would be a short step from becoming a returning Republican. Unfortunately, no matter what I say or how I say it, I get slammed by the same 5 members. I have made statements that contain multiple paragraphs of fact and projections. These 5 will comb thru it and if they find nothing to be negative about, they do not reply, but they seam elated when they find something that they can insult me about. It is very simple, if they would agree with a few things that I know to be my and Republican values, then we would be working toward a solution to problems. When I get nothing positive in return, I become as childish as they are and reply in turn. I do thank you BK as you have your views and you keep it straight and very civil all the time. For that, I do in fact read and think about everything you post. You have changed my mind on a few issues I have been firmly against in the past. I can listen and learn, but when I get nothing but insults from the negative 5, I freeze my brain into the negative mode with them.

If you and djplong were the only ones that gave me advise in this site, I would be a different person as I do believe we are in trouble in this country. The top 5 are here to prey on every word I type in an effort to sling mud my way. Try to understand how hard it is to be one out of a thousand on this site. Does that mean I should just give up and leave. No. I hope that some of the lurkers will read and understand some of the concerns of the liberal side and maybe, just maybe look for a solution. Please keep up the good work and maybe you can save some of the folks on the fence from falling onto the other side by the Negative 5.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

BK Cunningham. Like Jack Nicholson said "you make me want to be a better man".

BK, I think you know I only believe half of what I say in here, but it is an integral part of the back and forth that make a certain 5 members of the Political forum continue to have a heart beat. If everyone treated liberals in here like you do, I for one would be a short step from becoming a returning Republican. Unfortunately, no matter what I say or how I say it, I get slammed by the same 5 members. I have made statements that contain multiple paragraphs of fact and projections. These 5 will comb thru it and if they find nothing to be negative about, they do not reply, but they seam elated when they find something that they can insult me about. It is very simple, if they would agree with a few things that I know to be my and Republican values, then we would be working toward a solution to problems. When I get nothing positive in return, I become as childish as they are and reply in turn. I do thank you BK as you have your views and you keep it straight and very civil all the time. For that, I do in fact read and think about everything you post. You have changed my mind on a few issues I have been firmly against in the past. I can listen and learn, but when I get nothing but insults from the negative 5, I freeze my brain into the negative mode with them.

If you and djplong were the only ones that gave me advise in this site, I would be a different person as I do believe we are in trouble in this country. The top 5 are here to prey on every word I type in an effort to sling mud my way. Try to understand how hard it is to be one out of a thousand on this site. Does that mean I should just give up and leave. No. I hope that some of the lurkers will read and understand some of the concerns of the liberal side and maybe, just maybe look for a solution. Please keep up the good work and maybe you can save some of the folks on the fence from falling onto the other side by the Negative 5.

So; if I disagree with something you say and I tell you about it I'm preying on you and slinging mud.
When you disagree with me, it's OK; but when I disagree with you it's a personal attack.
This is more angst than I can deal with.
Am I supposed to quietly walk away when you're speaking so as not to offend you by having a different opinion?
I'm at a loss at how to respond to you as you seem to take everything as a deep personal insult.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

So; if I disagree with something you say and I tell you about it I'm preying on you and slinging mud.
When you disagree with me, it's OK; but when I disagree with you it's a personal attack.
This is more angst than I can deal with.
Am I supposed to quietly walk away when you're speaking so as not to offend you by having a different opinion?
I'm at a loss at how to respond to you as you seem to take everything as a deep personal insult.

If ya don't get it, ya don't get it and, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. Thank God we have a few in here that do. No offence my republican friend.

I am not going to sling any arrows with this post but I will say that there is a bundle of knowledgeable people who post here. Many who post do a great job of researching before they post. And I will say that I have read many of RichieLion's posts and he definitely knows what he is talking about.

Originally Posted by villa2

I am not going to sling any arrows with this post but I will say that there is a bundle of knowledgeable people who post here. Many who post do a great job of researching before they post. And I will say that I have read many of RichieLion's posts and he definitely knows what he is talking about.

I agree with you villa2. Richielion's knowledge of topics discussed on this site far exceeds the norm.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

BK Cunningham. Like Jack Nicholson said "you make me want to be a better man".

BK, I think you know I only believe half of what I say in here, but it is an integral part of the back and forth that make a certain 5 members of the Political forum continue to have a heart beat. If everyone treated liberals in here like you do, I for one would be a short step from becoming a returning Republican. Unfortunately, no matter what I say or how I say it, I get slammed by the same 5 members. I have made statements that contain multiple paragraphs of fact and projections. These 5 will comb thru it and if they find nothing to be negative about, they do not reply, but they seam elated when they find something that they can insult me about. It is very simple, if they would agree with a few things that I know to be my and Republican values, then we would be working toward a solution to problems. When I get nothing positive in return, I become as childish as they are and reply in turn. I do thank you BK as you have your views and you keep it straight and very civil all the time. For that, I do in fact read and think about everything you post. You have changed my mind on a few issues I have been firmly against in the past. I can listen and learn, but when I get nothing but insults from the negative 5, I freeze my brain into the negative mode with them.

If you and djplong were the only ones that gave me advise in this site, I would be a different person as I do believe we are in trouble in this country. The top 5 are here to prey on every word I type in an effort to sling mud my way. Try to understand how hard it is to be one out of a thousand on this site. Does that mean I should just give up and leave. No. I hope that some of the lurkers will read and understand some of the concerns of the liberal side and maybe, just maybe look for a solution. Please keep up the good work and maybe you can save some of the folks on the fence from falling onto the other side by the Negative 5.

If this is true (and who knows what is going on in your head) then responding to anything you post is a waste of time since nobody knows if you are just toying with them. Have fun talking to yourself.