Originally Posted by Bucco

Thanks for the reminder. I hesitated before commenting because he is so off the wall it is ridiculous. I am waiting for him to someday, somehow, give credibility to what he says by linking to some site or attributing something but doubt he will. I am just interested in what he could possibly read for information.

He say whatever spoils what others present for discussion when they have an ideology that distorts their mind.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Being ex military myself and being surrounded here in the Villages with many vets, I was loyal to my President in matters of war and military, but was never ever told I must blindly follow my President under any and all circumstances other than war. I was under the impression that kind of attitude was reserved for....well, lets just say other type countries.

You are absolutely right. But even in war there must be a provision about following a mad man. Impeachment comes to mind.

Originally Posted by Bucco

"Sorry bu-co, Your Wrong. The president of the United States is the top of the chain of command when it comes to giving orders. Orders for the Military are just that, they are not a request, they are a direct order. "


I agree with you....MILITARY orders are just that. MILITARY orders. I,nor you are in the military any longer

Thank you for that. But as a retired military man, I am ready and available for recall at any time, so I am still on call.

On the serious side, and since you did not slam me, who would you recommend I read to get some honest assessment of Pres Obama? Now please not Mr Beck, Mr Limbaugh or Ms Sarah. I also do not take my information from Bill Moyer, or anyone on MSNBC. They are a biased and as far off the truth as FOX. I guess what I am looking for is a straight down the middle person and they may not exist. Although, Bill Oreilly is as close to center as I have listened to so far.

Have you ever been fly fishing or seen it done? You know how you throw out the bait and pull it back and throw it out and pull it back until you get a bite? A mindless pastime just for sport and to kill time. I suppose it could be fun if you don't have anything better to do. I just wouldn't want to be the fish that takes the bait.

Back to the original post Pats about government spending. This little video takes less than 3 minutes to watch. It sums up government spending. I think it is important especially in light of the recent discussion of the extension of unemployment benefits.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrg1CArkuNc&feature=related[/ame]

Originally Posted by Lou Card

Thank you for that. But as a retired military man, I am ready and available for recall at any time, so I am still on call.

On the serious side, and since you did not slam me, who would you recommend I read to get some honest assessment of Pres Obama? Now please not Mr Beck, Mr Limbaugh or Ms Sarah. I also do not take my information from Bill Moyer, or anyone on MSNBC. They are a biased and as far off the truth as FOX. I guess what I am looking for is a straight down the middle person and they may not exist. Although, Bill Oreilly is as close to center as I have listened to so far.

I read daily the NY Times, albeit they sometimes do not report it all...I read the Wall St Journal daily..try that for a start..one leans to the left and one to the right...try this website to see both sides....http://www.realclearpolitics.com/....and from that website save some of the newspapers and writers there for reference. Read the Economist as I do every chance I get...a bit left but you can learn a lot.

Then so you know that most folks on here do not make things up...google this organization.....JOURNOLIST....spelled just like that. Read that...then come on back and give opinions.

We are NOT controlled by the MILITARY in this country and we do not pledge BLIND allegiance to anyone.

[QUOTE=Bucco;279316]I read daily the NY Times, albeit they sometimes do not report it all...I read the Wall St Journal daily..try that for a start..one leans to the left and one to the right...try this website to see both sides....http://www.realclearpolitics.com/....and from that website save some of the newspapers and writers there for reference. Read the Economist as I do every chance I get...a bit left but you can learn a lot.

Then so you know that most folks on here do not make things up...google this organization.....JOURNOLIST....spelled just like that. Read that...then come on back and give opinions.

We are NOT controlled by the MILITARY in this country and we do not pledge BLIND allegiance to anyone.[/QU

realclearpolitics.com Looks like a great site. I will spend some time there. Thanks for the information.

Oh, and thanks for the civility. If there was more of your kind of communication on this site, you would have more discussions with the left.

[quote=Lou Card;279318]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I read daily the NY Times, albeit they sometimes do not report it all...I read the Wall St Journal daily..try that for a start..one leans to the left and one to the right...try this website to see both sides....http://www.realclearpolitics.com/....and from that website save some of the newspapers and writers there for reference. Read the Economist as I do every chance I get...a bit left but you can learn a lot.

Then so you know that most folks on here do not make things up...google this organization.....JOURNOLIST....spelled just like that. Read that...then come on back and give opinions.

We are NOT controlled by the MILITARY in this country and we do not pledge BLIND allegiance to anyone.[/QU

realclearpolitics.com Looks like a great site. I will spend some time there. Thanks for the information.

Oh, and thanks for the civility. If there was more of your kind of communication on this site, you would have more discussions with the left.

EVERYONE HERE is for the most part very gracious and WANT to hear other views.

HOWEVER, you cannot come on here and start taking folks to task on subjects that they feel passion for and are well versed in. You have got to present your case with a bit of class and without the sarcasm and venom you have shown thus far.

ALL of us are Americans, NOT JUST YOU....many if not most of us served in the military..NOT JUST YOU...many of us have been involved in politics for many many years.

Trust me..if you are considerate when you post, folks will be considerate of YOU when they reply even if they dont agree with you.

Another suggestion...if you dont know anything about the subject being discussed, DONT POST...dont post to those threads because you are a democrat or a Republican or an Obama supporter or against Obama. Just read them and learn. Make sure you KNOW something of what you speak....this forum is a great way to learn...a great way to formulate opinion that maybe you didnt even know you had. Be excited if a post makes you read more to learn...if a post makes you dig deeper to determine how you feel.

[quote=Bucco;279319]

Originally Posted by Lou Card

EVERYONE HERE is for the most part very gracious and WANT to hear other views.

HOWEVER, you cannot come on here and start taking folks to task on subjects that they feel passion for and are well versed in. You have got to present your case with a bit of class and without the sarcasm and venom you have shown thus far.

ALL of us are Americans, NOT JUST YOU....many if not most of us served in the military..NOT JUST YOU...many of us have been involved in politics for many many years.

Trust me..if you are considerate when you post, folks will be considerate of YOU when they reply even if they dont agree with you.

Another suggestion...if you dont know anything about the subject being discussed, DONT POST...dont post to those threads because you are a democrat or a Republican or an Obama supporter or against Obama. Just read them and learn. Make sure you KNOW something of what you speak....this forum is a great way to learn...a great way to formulate opinion that maybe you didnt even know you had. Be excited if a post makes you read more to learn...if a post makes you dig deeper to determine how you feel.

Everything you say is true, but it must go both ways. I am going to start a new thread and see if your advice really works.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Back to the original post Pats about government spending. This little video takes less than 3 minutes to watch. It sums up government spending. I think it is important especially in light of the recent discussion of the extension of unemployment benefits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrg1C...eature=related

BK, What is your opinion about extending unemployment benefits. My experience is that when my unemployment gets extended, I will not look for work. I used to milk it to death when I was younger.

I believe that Congress should increase incentives for businesses to invest and stimulate the economy to create jobs. Unemployment insurance benefits were established to cushion an involuntarily laid off worker with income while they search for a new job. If there aren't any companies hiring, unemployment benefits become a cycle without end.

Studies have shown that when the government increases the length of time people collect unemployment insurance benefits; guess what, the length of time people spend unemployed increases also.

I've read studies that show employers who have laid-off workers when there is low demand are slower to rehire workers while they are still using unemployment insurance benefits. It's sorta like keeping them on call without the benefit of benefits if you know what I mean.

[quote=Bucco;279319]

Originally Posted by Lou Card

EVERYONE HERE is for the most part very gracious and WANT to hear other views.

HOWEVER, you cannot come on here and start taking folks to task on subjects that they feel passion for and are well versed in. You have got to present your case with a bit of class and without the sarcasm and venom you have shown thus far.

ALL of us are Americans, NOT JUST YOU....many if not most of us served in the military..NOT JUST YOU...many of us have been involved in politics for many many years.

Trust me..if you are considerate when you post, folks will be considerate of YOU when they reply even if they dont agree with you.

Another suggestion...if you dont know anything about the subject being discussed, DONT POST...dont post to those threads because you are a democrat or a Republican or an Obama supporter or against Obama. Just read them and learn. Make sure you KNOW something of what you speak....this forum is a great way to learn...a great way to formulate opinion that maybe you didnt even know you had. Be excited if a post makes you read more to learn...if a post makes you dig deeper to determine how you feel.

Everything you say is correct. However it falls on deaf ears to one who has no interest in what you say and is only interested in what he says himself.