Patriotism: Probably somewhat less than the post WWII years, but MUCH stronger than the Vietnam and Watergate years.

Morality: We are aware of immorality more today than ever before because of satellite TV and the internet, but I am confident the morality (from a sexual standpoint) was simarlily loose among many folks in years past, just not as evident. As for morality in the way we treat other people, unlike ourselves (speaking as a male, white, protestant) we are miles ahead of where we were in the 50s and 60s. For example, I recall a black person being badly beaten for being in my small midwestern hometown after dark, which was actually against an old law still on the books in 1960.

Spirtuality: I am concerned that younger people do not seem to be attending church as regularly as our generation did, but am not sure that it indicates as much a lack of spirituality, as it does a lack of confidence in organized religion. There are many cases of religious improprieties which could cause people to want to deal with their spirituality in more personal ways, again partly the result of much much more information available.

All-in-all, I don't have a feeling that we are any worse off in these areas than we were, for the most part, during my childhood. Mores and attitudes tend to change and evolve all the time, and I don't think that is a sign of the apocolypse.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Just as I figured. I got predictable dismissive and ridiculing attitudes toward my little post from all the usual suspects, and only the conservative minded posters reacted with any serious thought to the implication of the quote, except DJ who I disagree with yet again, but at least he gave some thought to it.

Ok so we performed for your amusement like monkeys on a stick but no words from you why you think that the commies are coming.

Originally Posted by Posh 08

Ok so we performed for your amusement like monkeys on a stick but no words from you why you think that the commies are coming.

I don't think you understood the meaning of this thread, perhaps on purpose, but communism was NOT the issue.

Do you think Stalin was the first to say this exact same thing ? Do you listen to the folks in the ME who wish us harm at best....are they not saying the same thing.

You will try to make this political...I dont see it that way....please read what is being said ABOUT this country !

Originally Posted by Bucco

I don't think you understood the meaning of this thread, perhaps on purpose, but communism was NOT the issue.

Do you think Stalin was the first to say this exact same thing ? Do you listen to the folks in the ME who wish us harm at best....are they not saying the same thing.

You will try to make this political...I dont see it that way....please read what is being said ABOUT this country !

The OP stated we were well on our way to meeting Stalins additions. Nothing more or less. I asked why he thought that way.

Originally Posted by Bucco

I don't think you understood the meaning of this thread, perhaps on purpose, but communism was NOT the issue.

Do you think Stalin was the first to say this exact same thing ? Do you listen to the folks in the ME who wish us harm at best....are they not saying the same thing.

You will try to make this political...I dont see it that way....please read what is being said ABOUT this country !

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better.

The point of Stalin's quote was that America is (was?) a country hard to bring down because of the strength of it's people. But if America was to lose it's faith, it's patriotism and it's moral center it would collapse under it's own weight.

I see much of that happening as America strays from it's core beliefs and strays into the secular world of big controlling government complete with the banning of God in the public square.

If you can't see or understand what i'm speaking of.............Stalin is smiling somewhere.

Originally Posted by Posh 08

The OP stated we were well on our way to meeting Stalins additions. Nothing more or less. I asked why he thought that way.

I think he said that we were well on our way to meeting his ambitions, which, to me, is the three things he listed that will weaken us, which havent changed over the years.

BUT..not my thread...will shut up and allow RICHIE to speak for himself

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better.

The point of Stalin's quote was that America is (was?) a country hard to bring down because of the strength of it's people. But if America was to lose it's faith, it's patriotism and it's moral center it would collapse under it's own weight.

I see much of that happening as America strays from it's core beliefs and strays into the secular world of big controlling government complete with the banning of God in the public square.

If you can't see or understand what i'm speaking of.............Stalin is smiling somewhere.

Stalin is burning in Hell. Not any smiles there.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

Sounds like a paranoid conspiracy scenario to me. I think Obama is Russian trained and will assist in the overthrow from inside the WH. Somebody warn Sarah because Russia is just outside her back door. Aunt M Aunt M. The Ski is falling. Hurry and see if Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck can come and save us all. Oh My Oh My what will we do?

You really need to check facts. Tina Fey was the one who said that in a SNL show.

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

You really need to check facts. Tina Fey was the one who said that in a SNL show.

Really, Maybe I should use this forum to find materal to turn into comedy.

First, the uber-conservatives quote PRAVDA to find a story about Cowboy Joe Ariapio saying that Obama is a non-citizen. Then the uber-conservatives channel up Josef Stalin to say what is wrong with America. To me, this sounds extremely unpatriotic to be quoting a Russian mass-murderer as well as the official news wire service for Russia.

Are these same uber-conservatives next going to ask Gary Morse to extend an invitation to Hugo Chavez or to Akmaninajhab to have a rally at Lake Sumter Landing so they can cheer?

What would their great champion, Ronald Reagan, say if he could see these uber-conservatives quoting PRAVDA and Stalin?

Originally Posted by buggyone

First, the uber-conservatives quote PRAVDA to find a story about Cowboy Joe Ariapio saying that Obama is a non-citizen. Then the uber-conservatives channel up Josef Stalin to say what is wrong with America. To me, this sounds extremely unpatriotic to be quoting a Russian mass-murderer as well as the official news wire service for Russia.

Are these same uber-conservatives next going to ask Gary Morse to extend an invitation to Hugo Chavez or to Akmaninajhab to have a rally at Lake Sumter Landing so they can cheer?

What would their great champion, Ronald Reagan, say if he could see these uber-conservatives quoting PRAVDA and Stalin?

LOL. I love your uber-conservative line.

Originally Posted by buggyone

First, the uber-conservatives quote PRAVDA to find a story about Cowboy Joe Ariapio saying that Obama is a non-citizen. Then the uber-conservatives channel up Josef Stalin to say what is wrong with America. To me, this sounds extremely unpatriotic to be quoting a Russian mass-murderer as well as the official news wire service for Russia.

Are these same uber-conservatives next going to ask Gary Morse to extend an invitation to Hugo Chavez or to Akmaninajhab to have a rally at Lake Sumter Landing so they can cheer?

What would their great champion, Ronald Reagan, say if he could see these uber-conservatives quoting PRAVDA and Stalin?

You know Buggy, this shows me that you don't comprehend what you read, and that explains a lot to me. For you to read my post as some sort of endorsement of Stalin is beyond the pale.

The point was to relate the "Stalin recipe" for the destruction from within of free America, and then for you to think about what he said in conjunction to what the state of our society is at this point in time.

I was doing the exact opposite of endorsement. Endorsement is more in line for progressive socialists like you.

Richie, the reason I disagree with you, at least to a degree on this, is because of the infamous quote attributed to Socrates where he spoke of how disrespectful children were in his new, modern, enlightened era. They no longer stood up when an adult entered the room and showed disrespect towards their parents.

I first read about that in the 1970s.

I certainly wouldn't argue the truths in your OP - demoralize and de-fang a populace and they ARE 'easier pickings'. I just dispute that it's as bad as you make it out to be.

It's taken us 10 years since 9/11 to get to this level of hyperpartisanship bickering again.

some, to accomodate their cause or whatever, will always side step the message and hammer away at the messenger.

As has already been stated to no apparent avail, no one is supporting or promoting Stalin or Communism or what ever other red herring is being flaunted by some.

Some of us were measuring what was stated...no bias, no support, no what ever seems to turn some of you on about any given subject.

Very consistent methodology.

btk