Originally Posted by Guest

"How about I'll take care of my responsibilities and you take care of your responsibilities and along the way if we do run across some who truly can fend for themselves well then we will give them a hand up?"

If that's what you believe:
Then support programs to allow women to make their own choices, unencumbered by prohibitive legislation.
Don't judge or stand in the way of two people in love to marry if they choose.
Allow people to have their own beliefs, what ever the faith in a god or no god and not allow one faith to dictate the laws for all.

And as far as college loan paybacks....there were jobs when we left college and jobs where you could work for 25+ years with decent pay that increased over the years. Now the 26 plus year olds work multiple low paying jobs. When they do make payments, it is often the minimum on a loan with 6% interest.

So are you saying it is OK to take out a loan then when it is time to pay it back just decide to not do so. So what if they have to work multiple jobs to get what they want. I think some here who make excuses for those who are doing wrong forget that what is offered as a problem like multiple low paying jobs to make life happen IS HOW MANY OF US MADE IT TO WHERE WE ARE!!!!!

Anybody that wants a job or jobs that want to earn money can do so.

The upcoming generation can witness:

>entering a country illegally results in no action by law or government.
>stop paying for your house and the government will figure out how to help you not lose it.
>take out a multiple thousand dollar loan for education and then don't pay it back....again the government will help you not pay....not penalty....no law enforcement, no problem.
>start riots in the streets and burn down town areas and loot and steal and the government will call them the victims and nothing is down....quite the contrary it is encouraged by the president, jackson and sharpton cronies.
>don't liksomething that has been a part of the culture for centuries....just raise your hand, promise to vote democatic and the politicians will whor-ize anything as long as you vote for them.
>volunteer two years of your life to go into the military to protect the freedoms they have ().

And many amny more.....what do we think the upcoming generations will view as right or wrong? Legal or illegal?

Just wait until the working America and make up becomes the minority and the illegals and their offsprings become the majority. Then the USA will further degenerate into the same status as the country they left.

That is where we are headed......I have pity for my grandchildren and their descendents as they will never know a really true America......and those who don't like my view that is just too bad.

Will not dignify that outlook with a response.

Democrats like entitlements they like income redistribution. They like giving away other people's money. that what the earned income credit is about. Its what's behind the silly CEO to clerk ratio pay scheme? Its what Obamacare is about.

Earned Income Credit - Created 1975 (Ford) - modified 1986 (Reagan) eliminated some other deductions, and rolled them into the EIC, modified (Bush senior) reduced the credit, which increase taxes a no no, 2001 ("W") increased EIC.

Now to the socialist, 2009 Amer. Recovery and Reinvestment Act, and 2010 Tax Relief, and Unemployment Redistribution Act both helped primarily large families recover form the great recession. What socialist program caused the great recession? Giving mortgages to people that couldn't affords them, wasn't a Democrat program. The abuse of the mortgage industry, large banks, and Wall Street landed in "W's" lap. His solution bailing out the too big to fail banks, Wall Street, and AIG isn't a handout to solve a problem. Obama bails out GM, and Romney tries to crucify for it. The problem with Republicans is they never accept responsibility for anything.

Just curious what do you call it when a Republican president gives away other peoples money? Sometimes like "W" gives a little to middle, and lower class, so he can give much more to the upper class.

The Affordable Care Act is a gives away people's money. When the uninsured used the emergency ward as their primary care physician, that wasn't given people's money thru higher health care rates. 22 million people now have health care insurance now than before. The health insurance carriers are the problem. Allowing healthcare providers to cross state lines isn't the answer. Single payer is. It will never happen.

This president's reckless foreign policy. Who invaded Iraq that spun the middle east out of control?

As far as being wrong in Washington, that is something that is truly bipartisan. However, Republicans excel in the blame game. I am a middle of the road independent. Given how far the Republicans have moved to right, we are now called socialists. We are not the problem Republicans are. When your path to the majority is obstruction, we are on a road to nowhere. I am voting for Kasich in the primary. Hopefully, he can steer Republicans back on the track.

What policies do you thing the Republicans have to take to get the youth vote? The Democrats aren't buying their vote as this thread indicted. Republicans are turning them away.

Originally Posted by Guest

Will not dignify that outlook with a response.

Now what will we do?

Originally Posted by Guest

So are you saying it is OK to take out a loan then when it is time to pay it back just decide to not do so. So what if they have to work multiple jobs to get what they want. I think some here who make excuses for those who are doing wrong forget that what is offered as a problem like multiple low paying jobs to make life happen IS HOW MANY OF US MADE IT TO WHERE WE ARE!!!!!

Anybody that wants a job or jobs that want to earn money can do so.

The upcoming generation can witness:

>entering a country illegally results in no action by law or government.
>stop paying for your house and the government will figure out how to help you not lose it.
>take out a multiple thousand dollar loan for education and then don't pay it back....again the government will help you not pay....not penalty....no law enforcement, no problem.
>start riots in the streets and burn down town areas and loot and steal and the government will call them the victims and nothing is down....quite the contrary it is encouraged by the president, jackson and sharpton cronies.
>don't liksomething that has been a part of the culture for centuries....just raise your hand, promise to vote democatic and the politicians will whor-ize anything as long as you vote for them.
>volunteer two years of your life to go into the military to protect the freedoms they have ().

And many amny more.....what do we think the upcoming generations will view as right or wrong? Legal or illegal?

Just wait until the working America and make up becomes the minority and the illegals and their offsprings become the majority. Then the USA will further degenerate into the same status as the country they left.

That is where we are headed......I have pity for my grandchildren and their descendents as they will never know a really true America......and those who don't like my view that is just too bad.

Couldn't have said it better.

Originally Posted by Guest

"How about I'll take care of my responsibilities and you take care of your responsibilities and along the way if we do run across some who truly can fend for themselves well then we will give them a hand up?"

If that's what you believe:
Then support programs to allow women to make their own choices, unencumbered by prohibitive legislation.
Don't judge or stand in the way of two people in love to marry if they choose.
Allow people to have their own beliefs, what ever the faith in a god or no god and not allow one faith to dictate the laws for all.

And as far as college loan paybacks....there were jobs when we left college and jobs where you could work for 25+ years with decent pay that increased over the years. Now the 26 plus year olds work multiple low paying jobs. When they do make payments, it is often the minimum on a loan with 6% interest.

Women their own choices? Where haven't they? Most moral folks believe that it is a sin to kill babies. Where are the babies' rights? Only 1% of abortions are due to medical, incest or rape. The rest are due to inconvenience. Abortion is legal now, so you are the one that needs to get past that crap.
Two people getting married? Most folks, even if they don't condone gay marriage, will tolerate civil unions. Most Americans believe that marriage is a religious practice and the Bible does not allow for it. It's legal now, so you need to get past that too.
As far as beliefs are concerned, the majority of America believe in a Deity. It is the liberals/atheists that are adamantly against religious freedom. No one cares if you are an atheist. We feel sorry for you, but it's your right. Just don't force YOUR lack of faith on us.
I am not crying for those that graduate college and have to start a low paying job(s). I did it and supported a family also. It is not my fault that today's youth are so weak. The only reason they take low paying jobs and not progress to better paying employment is their lack of motivation. People retire or move on to other jobs every day. Where do you think they get replacements?
Don't liberals EVER get tired of crying and whining?

Do Republicans ever get tired of criticizing, condemning, and complaining? Take a good look at the posts here starting with your own, and you will see who is doing the most crying, and whining.

What was this thread about? Democrats buying the youth vote. Sounds like crying to me! What programs do Republicans offer that could get them the youth vote?

Several southern states are making it very hard to get an abortion like driving 400 to 500 miles. The right to life people haven't gotten over it. They never will.

Originally Posted by Guest

Do Republicans ever get tired of criticizing, condemning, and complaining? Take a good look at the posts here starting with your own, and you will see who is doing the most crying, and whining.

What was this thread about? Democrats buying the youth vote. Sounds like crying to me! What programs do Republicans offer that could get them the youth vote?

Several southern states are making it very hard to get an abortion like driving 400 to 500 miles. The right to life people haven't gotten over it. They never will.

The thread was posted to bemoan the buying of the youth vote. It was about the student loans and whether they should be forgiven/or something else.
The buying the vote is a result or side effect of the bailing out of those who are moaning and whinning about not being able to survive with the debt THEY SIGNED UP FOR!!!!!

If you want to discuss the buying of the youth vote then start yur own thread on it.
By the way on the subject of this thread, do you support the forgiving of student loans? you think it is appropriate to use federal funds to bail out these people who are defaulting on the student loans?

The first sentence above was to state "...not bemoan buying the student vote..."

I will play the word game.

What programs do the Republicans offer that could get the STUDENT vote?

What age range do you consider a student to be? What age do you consider a youth to be?

Originally Posted by Guest

I will play the word game.

What programs do the Republicans offer that could get the STUDENT vote?

What age range do you consider a student to be? What age do you consider a youth to be?

Oh, I see. The "give me" game. What programs do the Republicans offer that could get the STUDENT vote? Good question. Are students that shallow that it has to be all about them? I thought they were the generation that is supposed to lead our country eventually. Do they want to live in poverty once the country goes bankrupt? What do conservatives offer? How about prosperity, freedom and security? Does that work? Ooops, sorry that doesn't work well on video games, huh? Here's what it looks like. If you can get into college; and the bar is pretty low today, then you feel that these folks deserve FREE college while their fellow youth that are working blue collar jobs and scraping by while you are partying, get nothing but grief from the privileged slackers.

How about, you pay your own way like the rest of us, or ask your parents for the money? That worked for most of us that didn't get gov help. My daughters did get some gov loans for college, and it took years to pay it back. They didn't ask the gov to forgive their debt and they didn't renege on their obligation either. If you want gov help for college then join the military. Earn it.

To answer your question regarding what conservatives have to offer the youth. We offer a future, based on strength, not weakness and dependency. If you are looking for an easy way, then move to Europe, where the middle class has an American low class lifestyle. You think socialism is ideal? Try paying 55% of your income out to the gov to pay for all those so-called benefits. And then have fun waiting in line for those same benefits.

Conservatives won't buy your vote. If you want to freeload, then vote Democrat and elect a socialist. But, remember what Thatcher said "“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

Originally Posted by Guest

I will play the word game.

What programs do the Republicans offer that could get the STUDENT vote?

What age range do you consider a student to be? What age do you consider a youth to be?

I am not sure why you are questioning age?
The "student" loans and subject of the OP has to do with long term COLLEGE loans made or guaranteed by the federalegovernment.

The thread focus is about bailing out the debtors now that they are out of college and are whinning about the debt burden. A SIDE EFFECT of the bail out has become politicized and has become bait for vote getting!

So how do you feel about bailing out capable folks who do not WANT to repay their loans?

This is the last time I explain the OP intent to those who do not read the entire thread and or do not know what they are talking about or the usual change the subject dodge and weave!

Originally Posted by Guest

I am not sure why you are questioning age?
The "student" loans and subject of the OP has to do with long term COLLEGE loans made or guaranteed by the federalegovernment.

The thread focus is about bailing out the debtors now that they are out of college and are whinning about the debt burden. A SIDE EFFECT of the bail out has become politicized and has become bait for vote getting!

So how do you feel about bailing out capable folks who do not WANT to repay their loans?

This is the last time I explain the OP intent to those who do not read the entire thread and or do not know what they are talking about or the usual change the subject dodge and weave!

Dodge and weave! It is impossible to compete on the "dodge and weave" playing field here, because that is what most Republicans here excel at.

Why am I questioning age? In a normal flow, a student would graduate college at age 22. I was accused of changing the subject from student to youth. Aren't all students youths? It was just what you have to expect here, a petty shot.

What is done on a constant basis here is make the exception the rule. A small group of students don't want to pay back their student loans, so all students don't want to pay back their loans. All they have to do is band together, and the Democrats will come to their aid to buy their vote.

A small group of illegal Hispanics are no damn good, so all Hispanics are no damn good. So, it is the goal of Republicans to make sure Hispanics don't vote. This, of course, is done for the good of the country.

The one thing that is done here is comparing the times we grew up to the current times. Times have changed a lot, and it is a lot hard for youth/students now. By calling them deadbeats, just shows how closed minded some people here are.

I could go on and on, but that would be changing the subject. However, I now have to change the subject.

Do they want to live in poverty once the country goes bankrupt? What do conservatives offer? How about prosperity, freedom and security? Always a flair for the dramatic. The nation under our last Republican president almost went bankrupt. Prosperity! The middle class has been falling behind the rate inflation, since Reagan. The programs that were complete failures they want to bring back. security! That Iraq war certainly help our security, and security around the world. It also did wonders for our debt.

Originally Posted by Guest

Dodge and weave! It is impossible to compete on the "dodge and weave" playing field here, because that is what most Republicans here excel at.

Why am I questioning age? In a normal flow, a student would graduate college at age 22. I was accused of changing the subject from student to youth. Aren't all students youths? It was just what you have to expect here, a petty shot.

What is done on a constant basis here is make the exception the rule. A small group of students don't want to pay back their student loans, so all students don't want to pay back their loans. All they have to do is band together, and the Democrats will come to their aid to buy their vote.

A small group of illegal Hispanics are no damn good, so all Hispanics are no damn good. So, it is the goal of Republicans to make sure Hispanics don't vote. This, of course, is done for the good of the country.

The one thing that is done here is comparing the times we grew up to the current times. Times have changed a lot, and it is a lot hard for youth/students now. By calling them deadbeats, just shows how closed minded some people here are.

I could go on and on, but that would be changing the subject. However, I now have to change the subject.

Do they want to live in poverty once the country goes bankrupt? What do conservatives offer? How about prosperity, freedom and security? Always a flair for the dramatic. The nation under our last Republican president almost went bankrupt. Prosperity! The middle class has been falling behind the rate inflation, since Reagan. The programs that were complete failures they want to bring back. security! That Iraq war certainly help our security, and security around the world. It also did wonders for our debt.