Have you heard about this one yet? Not on mains stream media you won't.
Included in the Obama health care reform bill is a "mandatory" requirement to sit with a government counselor to discuss end of life strategy.

I'll let your own imagination determine what you think that is all about. There are several articles floating around tagged seniors death sentence in the new health care reform. No doubt alarmist in nature, but forget that. Do some research and find the language stating there is going to be changes to the kind of treatment you will or will not get depending on your age and your health.

Think about it long and hard. You are a health 75 year old, super active resident of TV....you get a catastrophic disease (pick one)...today the goal is to prolong life....under the new plan it will be to deny treatment based on age and affordability.

Or how about that same catastrophic disease and the counselor decides you get medication that is not the latest and greatest to cure or attempy yo cure but keeps you comfortable....after all you are over 65 and going to die anyway.

These are just a couple of the "devils" in the details.

So that would or could be what you get under the standard plan. And as I have stated repeatedly, on your dime (self insure) or one of the many supplents that will spin off the new plan you can be treated the way you always used to be. Hence the rise in cost to those of us over 65.

I challenge those who support the new plan if they are over 65 and that they are prepared to become a lessor priority in the system.

Having gone through the harrowing process of my wife's breast cancer and the expense....I can not imagine in my best and most creative mode to be convinced to compromise the well being of a loved one under ANY future plan by the government.

As far as mandatory death counseling with some trained government stooge....it will never happen to me ot my wife. I would look forward to what the government thinks they can or would do to the throngs like me that would be ready to take their mandatory counseling and shove it!!!!

How can anybody with a clear thinking, responsible approach buy into such concepts.

I want to hear what wonderful, soothing smoke job words Obama would have to offer all of us over 65...just for entertainment not for any real evaluation....assuming I wouldn't get sick listening to the rhetoric .

Wake up silent majority over 65....you are about to be had!!!!!!!

btk

Just keep saving those dimes, nickels and frequent flier miles. The treatment you need may only be available as a medical tourist to India, Thailand, Turkey, Singapore and Cuba. They will care for anyone with cash, regardless of age.

I will love to review the regulations, standard operating procedures and decision algorithms to be used by "counselors" in this new system. I bet the training program will be interesting and only available for the under-40 crowd.

But, what the heck. It's only "life," and that's not worth much when compared to how much good "the government" can do with the resources now being squandered on these grumpy old folk.

how many counselors would be required at so many a day, etc....some where around 37,000 new JOBS without counting the monstrous administrative pyramid above these folks.

btk

An article I read contained the following: (note the underlined part, better not be scheduled for your mandatory counseling on a day when you are sick or the practitioner might red line you.)

Mandatory "End-of-Life" Counseling from a State-Appointed Practitioner Every 5 Years for Those Over Age 65

Further concerns for federal employees and retirees have surrounded pages 425-430 of the House bill ("America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009"), which compel Americans over the age of 65 to receive mandatory "end-of-life" counseling from a State-appointed practitioner every five years -- or more often if the senior is sick or in a nursing home.

Page 425 of the bill states the consultation will include the following:

(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.

(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.

(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.

(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).

(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

This section of the bill further describes what a State appointed practitioner is, and how the counseling would be conducted.

Originally Posted by BogeyBoy

An article I read contained the following: (note the underlined part, better not be scheduled for your mandatory counseling on a day when you are sick or the practitioner might red line you.)

Mandatory "End-of-Life" Counseling from a State-Appointed Practitioner Every 5 Years for Those Over Age 65

Further concerns for federal employees and retirees have surrounded pages 425-430 of the House bill ("America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009"), which compel Americans over the age of 65 to receive mandatory "end-of-life" counseling from a State-appointed practitioner every five years -- or more often if the senior is sick or in a nursing home.

Page 425 of the bill states the consultation will include the following:

(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.

(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.

(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.

(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).

(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

This section of the bill further describes what a State appointed practitioner is, and how the counseling would be conducted.

This gets scarier and scarier by the day !! What have we done !

Originally Posted by billethkid

how many counselors would be required at so many a day, etc....some where around 37,000 new JOBS without counting the monstrous administrative pyramid above these folks.

btk

Your health care (tax) dollars at work - not to keep you healthy (they are counseling you on how to die) but to provide for those 37,000 and the staff required.

I don't understand the reactions written here on this forum. If you studied the agenda of the "progressives" throughout the last 40 years, this would not be a shock. The value of human lives has never been an issue with these people. Ask Jane Fonda or Cronkite if they cared about prisoners of war during wartime. Ask them what they thought of the million's slaughtered when we abandoned our friends in Southeast Asia. Ask about the millions of babies thrown away like the daily trash.
If they don't give a darn about the people trying to be born...what makes you think they care about the people who are on the other end of life's spectrum.....the elderly?

I simply don't understand the faith that people put in government programs when they fail time and time again.

Lord have mercy on us...

Originally Posted by SteveZ

Just keep saving those dimes, nickels and frequent flier miles. The treatment you need may only be available as a medical tourist to India, Thailand, Turkey, Singapore and Cuba. They will care for anyone with cash, regardless of age.

I will love to review the regulations, standard operating procedures and decision algorithms to be used by "counselors" in this new system. I bet the training program will be interesting and only available for the under-40 crowd.

But, what the heck. It's only "life," and that's not worth much when compared to how much good "the government" can do with the resources now being squandered on these grumpy old folk.

the "Obama the Great" posters on this subject? I see not one! Aren't you going to defend your anointed leader on health care? Oh, I see, Obamacrat and his House henchmen are dead wrong on revamping health care and big government. But why should I care? The silence is actually preferable!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

And this poll was taken before "Stupidly Gate"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CyZh...layer_embedded

Originally Posted by Keedy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CyZh...layer_embedded

Thanks, I needed that.

Originally Posted by dklassen

I simply don't understand the faith that people put in government programs when they fail time and time again.

Lord have mercy on us...

I agree, Christ have mercy.

Yoda