Originally Posted by ilovetv

Those of us who saw thru his eloquence on the campaign trail chose to pay attention to all the disquieting aspects of his biography......

Those who were bewitched by his eloquence will be right there to vote him back in for another 4 years.

Bingo, give the man a cigar. (But he can't count on the bandwagon jumpers this time)

Originally Posted by Hancle704

...This does not in my opinion, mean that the Times has become "Fair and Balanced".

Oh, I agree with you. But it's an excellent newspaper nonetheless. Maybe the only better one is The Wall Street Journal. If one were to read the NYT and watch the news coverage on Fox News, you probably would get a "fair and balanced" view of the political spectrum on any given issue. But in either case, one needs to make sure to differentiate between the editorials and opinions in the Times and what I'll call the "entertainment" shows on Fox.

Actually, I think the best and most balanced political discussion show on TV is The Morning Joe on MSNBC on early weekday mornings. The co-hosts are Joe Scarborough, the conservative ex-Congressman from Florida, and Mika Brzezinski, the daughter of foreign affairs expert Zbigniew Brzezinski. Joe and Mika back themselves up with carefully chosen panelists each morining from both the left and the right. Then they run the show so that there is an intelligent discussion of whatever issues they choose to discuss each morning. There's seldom an "answer", of course. But when they finish the discussion on a particular issue, you feel pretty good about understanding the positions of each side.

I for one do not want the rich to pay more taxes. I want the government to spend less money.

I hope that the rich get richer. I would be very happy if they take me along with them.

As far as Obama goes, he has been a dismal failure as president of the United States of America. He has accomplished nothing but increase our national debt and guarantee that it will take many years to recover from his four years of service.

VK, When did Joe become a conservative??

Originally Posted by Sally Jo

VK, When did Joe become a conservative??

Excerpted from his online bio...

"Scarborough was a four-term member of the House and was regarded as a reliable conservative. He was a part of a small group of Republican congressmen the National Journal said possessed a surprising amount of power given their youth and lack of experience in Congress. He received a 95 percent lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union. He signed the Contract with America.

Scarborough was one of a group of Republican legislators who dubbed themselves the 'New Federalists' after the Federalist Papers. Scarborough was elected Political Director of that group. The New Federalists called for sweeping cuts in the U.S. government, including plans to privatize, localize, consolidate, or eliminate the Departments of Commerce, Education, Energy and Housing and Urban Development.

Scarborough supported a number of pro-life positions while in Congress including legislation (H.R.2436, Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 1999) that made it a crime to harm a fetus during the commission of other crimes.

Scarborough voted to make the Corporation for Public Broadcasting self-sufficient by eliminating federal funding. He also voted for the Medicare Preservation act of 1995, which cut the projected growth of Medicare by $270 billion over ten years, and against the Small Business Job Protection Act of 1996, which raised the minimum wage to $5.15. Scarborough had a conservative voting record on economic, social, and foreign policy issues, but was seen as moderate on environmental issues and human rights causes."

He has stated repeatedly on the TV show that he is a big fan of the Tea Party. You aren't going to find many more conservative than Joe Scarborough.

You were kidding with your question, weren't you?

VK, I know he was conservative when he was in congress. I should have said, when did he return to conservatism. Maybe I'm watching his show on the wrong days. I've gotten the impression that Mika is rubbing off on him.

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Ummmm.....NYT does not "always" support the left, but this guest columnist's first 3.5 pages point out how Obama has not been leftist enough!!

I think the most useful portion of the column is this part, where the psychologist poses explanations for the total flop this presidency is:

"........A second possibility is that he is simply not up to the task by virtue of his lack of experience and a character defect that might not have been so debilitating at some other time in history. Those of us who were bewitched by his eloquence on the campaign trail chose to ignore some disquieting aspects of his biography: that he had accomplished very little before he ran for president, having never run a business or a state; that he had a singularly unremarkable career as a law professor, publishing nothing in 12 years at the University of Chicago other than an autobiography; and that, before joining the United States Senate, he had voted "present" (instead of "yea" or "nay") 130 times, sometimes dodging difficult issues......."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/07/op...=2&ref=opinion

all of the lefties will start to distance themselves from Obama, what else can they do as things continue to get worse. Blaming George Bush, Global warming and now the Tea Party does not give Mr. Obama a pass, he is the leader of our nation and he has failed!

Does Nero playing the fiddle while Rome burned have any counterpart today?

"Like most Americans, at this point, I have no idea what Barack Obama — and by extension the party he leads — believes on virtually any issue."...Got to agree with the article on this main point. But I am not naive enough to say that it isn't because Obama doesn't know what he believes on every issue. We had an actor who became president, now we have a president who became an actor.

Originally Posted by ljones190

all of the lefties will start to distance themselves from Obama, what else can they do as things continue to get worse. Blaming George Bush, Global warming and now the Tea Party does not give Mr. Obama a pass, he is the leader of our nation and he has failed!

Not mutually exclusive.