I can only speak for myself. I'd like to think I'm independent and open minded. I have been persuaded to change my opinion when an opposing view is substantiated with links from credible sources.

From what I am reading on these threads there are a lot more liberals than one. Although it would be funny to a be a moderator and know that only two very bored people are writing all the posts.

Well they were all looking for the confederate flag for the entrance, could not find it, went home to watch the Dukes of Hazzard.

Why all the Liberal racist hate?

Because they(Dems) are racist??? Or, because they are the party of slavery?? Or both?

This is worth reading.
The Origin of the American Democratic Party

"Despite the increasingly cutting tension that is growing between the Democrats and Republicans of today, it’s important to remember that our factions sprouted from the same political party and thus, a shared purpose—to create a government that is run for and by its citizens."

What drivel...this is the last sentence. The citizens are the last thing the parties are looking out for.

What's the first thing? lobbyists

Why can't you just complete your opinion?

Why do you make others ask?

You may have a valid point, an enlightening point but if you don't make it who will know?

What's the first thing? lobbyists

Why can't you just complete your opinion?

Why do you make others ask?

You may have a valid point, an enlightening point but if you don't make it who will know?

I too wonder.
Watch PATH TO THE WHITE HOUSE ON CNN. Not sure if it says things are not as bad as they seem OR, in politics things were never as good as we remember.

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are you stupid enough to offer americans against the tea party as a non-biased source of information.

I believe that the subject of the thread was based on violence of the left. It was based on the current trend of disruptions at the Trump political rallies. How far are you all going to get from the subject of the thread? There is no rule against starting a new thread. If you want to hijack the thread, take it elsewhere.

I guess I am.....but one can always hope.

Did GWB invade a country that did not attack the US based on lies? YES

Did Dick Cheney said the Iraq war would only cost 21 billion dollars and that Iraq would pay for it? YES


Iraq war: Predictions made, and results - CSMonitor.com

Did George W Bush land on an aircraft carrier and declare
major combat operations were over?

See for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrJwzYBUkU

Did he leave office with us still fighting an endless war? YES

Did he make a mess and didn't clean it up? YES

Did GWB authorize torture for prisoners of war?YES

I could go on but why?

You BLAME OBAMA FOR EVERYTHING

You want freedom of religion and cry there is a WAR ON CHRISTMAS when someone says Seasons Greetings.

You want your country back and on some points I could agree with that. I wish that Corporations would not ship jobs overseas so that the younger generation had a chance at a Middle Class life.

I will leave you with this...

In November think of my nephew who will deploy to the region for 7 months, hope as I hope that he does not return with a Purple Heart like his brother. And think of his mother and I as we live with fear once again for those 7 months.

That was against the law.

I bet the only thing you watch on television is re-runs. Must be terrible to only be allowed to look back in time.

Must be because current events are so much worse ya can't stand it.

We have to look back in time especially for the war crimes committed so hopefully it won't happen again. And thank you have just made my point!!!

I shared that my nephew was deploying to the Middle East but you said nothing about that. Your response tells me everything I understand Republicans to be!

Thank-you It sounds to me like the entire family has courage. I also see things your way.

War crimes? What do you call Obama's use of drones that kill innocent civilians.

While I applaud your nephew's service to his country, just exactly what have you done. Those on the Left have no problem sharing in the accomplishments of others.

It's just a matter of time before there are drones here.
Do you really have to tell your whole life's story to have an opinion?

If you believe all that stuff above, then you are a very disappointing and naive person, that needs to quit listening to disgruntled radical lefties. You sound like a miserable person and I doubt very much you would ever be able to find a spouse that would stay with you very long. And there, you caused me to get personal. It was not my intention, but to not know about the conflict in the middle East is really a shame. I won't go into all that you have wrong, but I am sure that facts don't mean anything to you. Unlike Hillary, some gov employees know how to keep classified information SECRET.

Democrats that voted FOR the war in Iraq:

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)

[QUOTE=Guest;1203211]Democrats that voted FOR the war in Iraq:
Don't you find it interesting that both Sanders and Trump were against the war?
So was Dean.
It's hard to find too much on Trump making that point. In a way I would feel more comfortable if he said "that it was difficult knowing what was best for America. I understood both sides." But that would be changing history.

I voted for not one of these people....but they were feed the lies about the war by the Bush Administration as was the American people.

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION LIED. THAT A PROVEN ACT!

And thousands of American soldiers died because of these lies....But you cannot Handle the Truth.

There seems to be a name missing.....I think there was a Senator from IL that voted against the war.

Now what was his name? ..... Obama!

I am proud of all my nephews so that you may further understand.

Air Force Pilot (Academy Grad) Vietnam War, pilot, 1st Gulf, Surgeon, 2nd Gulf.

Marine Gunnery Sargent, 2nd Gulf Tanks 5 times, Purple Heart

Nov 16 Capt Army reserves, 2nd Gulf.

As a women I choose to go into the other family profession, Medicine.

Your backhanded slam was uncalled for... I was only asking for thought for my nephew and my family. Look the post again.

That is the truth.. Congress voted in good conscience based on faulty information unfortunately.

Barack Obama was not a member of the US Senate at the time. Thus he did not vote on the invasion. But as a member of the state senate in Illinois, he expressed his vocal opposition, calling it a foolish decision by President Bush; and when he joined the U.S. senate in 2004, he voted against the surge and against additional funding for expanding the war. In 2008, as a candidate, he promised he would end our involvement in Iraq if he were elected, and that is exactly what he did.

I stand corrected!!

Sorry to burst your bubble, and I do not want to get into a heated argument over this issue, since it is not related at all to the subject of the thread, but...

IMINT collection showed evidence of biological lab facilities capable of making WMDs. That's a proven, and I was privy to such information as an Intelligence analyst. Mass burials of thousands of bodies killed by poisonous gas (WMDs) prove that Sadamm DID have WMD's to kill those people. The time period between the intel and the actual invasion of Iraq was such that anyone could have walked the WMDs out of the country. That said, lets go to the undeniable reason that we were justified in attacking Iraq. Iraq violated the NO FLY ZONE consistently, daring us to do something about it. That violation warranted/justified the attack on Iraq.

It's real easy to blame Bush for not leaving Iraq, but the point has been proven that Obama DID leave Iraq way too early.

You talk about thousands of military lives taken? Did those military members get drafted? Or did they volunteer? Military members do not go into the service expecting never to have to go to war. They train for war. They are patriotic. Do not demean them by telling them that they fought for nothing. It was bad enough that liberals did that to us during Vietnam. Do not do it again. In Vietnam we lost near 60,000 lives and then another 50,000 by suicide afterward. People like you were a contributing factor to the suicides, I'm sure. How many million were killed in the World Wars? The battle of Gettysburg resulted in 50,000 Americans killed in that one battle. I am not demeaning the deaths in Iraq. Far be it that I would dishonor them. And you shouldn't either. They deserve ALL of our support and respect.

So, when you get done throwing stones at Bush, take a good look at your president right now. Terrorists attacks and what is he doing? Doing the wave at a CUBAN ball game, and then doing the Salsa in Argentina. Heaven help him if he was to break his trend and do his job.

Hillary says she plans to continue Obama's agenda. Just what we need, four more years like the last seven failed years.

Yes, and he also was against raising the debt ceiling.

Oh,

And he was against election year appointments.

And

He was against gay marriage

I've seen women (no PC here) that have changed their minds less when rearranging furniture.

And which president was responsible for the U.S. entering the Vietnam War? Oh yeah, a Democrat named President LB Johnson. Almost 60,000 American troops died there. Do we hold that against him? Not anyone that I know of. But, the left is sure adamant about it being another war that we shouldn't have been involved in. And yet, they leave his name out of it. Go figure.

And now, back to our feature program and thread.............

Iraq's nuclear program was a couple of centrifuges in a backyard. Did Iraq use gas on US citizens...nope. And the reason we went into Iraq was because Cheney was ****ed Saddam outwitted him when Cheney allowed them to use helicopters in that region.

I deplore the Republican's use our troops as Cannon Fodder in wars that have no impact on the US.

1st Gulf
2nd Gulf ( Iraq did not arrack us)

Obama left Iraq to early...perhaps you missed the part that Iraq told the US to leave.

U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There - The Atlantic

Obama was on a diplomatic trip which included a baseball game...was the United States attacked during the game?
As for him dancing the only thing I can say is he dances better than GWB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqy91GnS-Bg

You have been watching Faux News and are just repeating the party line.

Is there a point buried somewhere in this catharsis?

Why was it called Lyndon Johnson's War?

I just knew you would miss it!

Actually sadly it was Kennedy he signed the orders just before he left for Dallas.

The question was, Why was it called Johnson's War?

The fact that both were democrats does not matter.

Were all those demonstrators in the 60's the sons and daughters of angry republicans?


This isn't a ball game or Chevy is better than Ford. It's not always about the party. Who is the party of slavery and the KKK? You don't get any points for either question. It's about understanding how we got to where we are and how we can give our children a better chance in life.

Isn't that what old age teaches us?

We got here by corruption. The D and R parties got us here. Voting them out is our only hope.

Many of us don't learn, it seems 4 years makes us forget...

You want someone that is different?

You don't know anybody that faulted LBJ for his Viet Nam agenda? You must lead a lonely life.