This is ridiculous the notion that people who steal into America due to the Federal Government's failure to keep them out, should receive fair wages is really just a ploy for the progressives to get them social security numbers after passing some executive order to give them immunity, so that they can help pay for obama's stupidity.

Originally Posted by cashman

Please respond Djplong !!!!

are you?

There is only one objective in these gyrations.....Buying the votes...
second behind that is the give away programs.

In an era of entitlement, me too, where's mine, bail out, give aways, permissive pacifism, don't rock the boat stupidity for those who are born and rooted here....the government wants to swing the door wide and ad to the disturbing list above all the perverts, rapists, drug running, free loaders from Mexico and anywhere else in the world smart enough to go to Mexico first and then just stroll across the open border with the rest of the dregs.

And then there is the dilution factor. Add to the voter base as many non thinking, non contributing, uneducated thugs and criminals and you get a more trainable constituency.

Yes, I know there are some good people in the crowd. Let 'em immigrate according to the laws of the land.

How about amnesty with a hook? First they register. Then they have one year to learn the language. Then they have 5 more years to go through the education routine to become a US citizen. Of course they shall pay taxes from day one like the rest of us.

If they or their families don't like the new rules encourage then....no expedite them back to the great country they are running from.

btk

BK - I'll answer to the points you raised.

Racial profiling - In general, I'm against it for things like "Driving While Black". However, in the case of terrorism, giving a second look to people who look like terrorists WITHOUT VIOLATING OTHER RIGHTS is just plain smart. One can look at the way Israel protects it's airplanes. The idea of strip-searching granny in a wheechair to 'prove' equality is patently ridiculous.

Abortion - Not sure how that plays into the "can't be fiscally conservative" part of your assertation - and if you don't want to risk starting an abortion flame-war (as threads on that topic can often fall into) I'll understand. However, the overwhelming majority of abortions fall in one category - VERY early term. Without going into too much graphic detail, I've had to clean up after an early term miscarriage that my (now ex) wife had almost 20 years ago. That did nothing to change my views that, that early on, you have a batch of cells. HOWEVER - the idea of being 8 1/2 months pregnant and deciding yoou wanat an abortion, in addition to being an almost nonexistent situation, repulses me (as in "sorry, you had your chance to change your mind for some time way back when")

The war on poverty - In the government, when you subsidize something, you get more of it. P. J. O'Roourke said it many years ago - you can't eliminate poverty by giving people money. A small social safety net is one thing - with limits. Generational welfare killed more initiative than anything I can think of. Welfare reform was a much-needed step in the right direction.

- Protecting children. Can you explain what you mean?

- Protecting pets. I'm going to assume you mean valuing pets more than people as opposed to simple anti-cruelty laws. Still, I don't see how that goes against being fiscally conservative.

- Protecting Americans. It is the first job of this country to protect it's citizens. Whether it's corporations taking shortcuts that result in oil wells exploding or psychopathic Chinese businessmen tainting food with chemicals to make it look like there's more protein until it starts killing children. I'm not happy with the way, for example, the FDA or OSHA are run, I would like to see some major common-sense reform in there.

In general, I believe it is the government's job to be the referee. The ones to set the rules to keep things FAIR. Equal OPPORTUNITY as opposed to equal OUTCOME.

For certain kinds of regulations, all you have to do is look at China where schools collapse in even minor earthquakes becuase of there being lax enforcement of building codes. Contrary to libertarian beliefs (and I lean that way in many areas), sometimes it's too late to "let the market decide". I'm sorry, but the market deciding after people die is a terrible way to let things run. Like after the Cocoanut Grove fire.

Now, on other points..

You often say you are a fiscal conservative, but a social liberal.

You appear to be bright, but your position here is utterly and hopelessly impossible.

To be a social liberal you require a big government with high taxes which makes it impossible to be a fiscal conservative.

If you don't agree with me please explain how your mixed position is mathematically feasible.

For examples that BK didn't bring up specifically...

Gay marriage - Having gays in my family has undoubtedly influenced my opinion on this. Having a serial, heterosexual uncle who married 6 times (4 women) and may have been a pedophile along with an incest perpetrator may also influence me. Argument on "the sanctity of marriage" immediately (IN MY OPINION) disqualify someone from the debate. People like my late uncle are ok? Like Brittany Spears weekend not-a-marriage? THOSE are ok (no Constitutional Ammendment being proposed against THEM) but my aunt who lived for 17 years with the same woman, bought a house, raised a kid, paid her taxes and hardly ever got so much as a ticket - SHE's the "bad guy"? Get real.

Doesn't take high taxes for that. By the same token, no church should be FORCED to perform a gay marriage. There are plenty of churches that will (assuming you want to be married in a church). If they won't, I would wonder why you're with that church to begin with.

Any other examples you'd like?

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Thanks BK. I do enjoy Political, it is way more interesting than hearing more debates about roundabouts. I steer clear of posting because I'm not smart enough to win any battles! I have lots of opinions about Obama, but they are best kept in a box under my bed.

There may not be any rules in Political on citizenship or how long you can stay, but I've seen peeps get tarred and feathered and run out of town!

I agree with you if this post and your one comparing Biden with Palin are your positions you best stay clear of Political.

By the way Palin is Smarter has better experience and is more attractive in all ways when compared with Biden.

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Some things are better left unsaid.