Originally Posted by ilovetv

It's a favorite tactic used by disciples of marxist community organizers like Obama and Steve Ayers, from their messiah, Saul Alinsky:

"5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage." --from "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinsky

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

What does that have to do with Government coming into our personal lives?

Originally Posted by The Villager II

What does that have to do with Government coming into our personal lives?

I was addressing this:

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Villagegolfer is addressing the straw man agrument made by buggyone, cologal. Buggyone sets up points and a discussion by making distorted, exaggerated and misrepresenting positions of posters on TOTV: "I would go so far as to say there are some uber-conservatives on this forum who said that defense was correct and the shooter should have gone free."

Wow! I'm now a Marxist...cool.

Waynet,

I get to be Groucho Marx. You can be Harpo Marx. Say the magic word and the duck will give you $50.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Don't forget that man who killed a medical doctor in his church in front of witnesses. He tried to get off the 1st degree murder charge by saying he did it for all the unborn babies the doctor would kill in the future. Of course, that defense did not work and he is put away in prison forever.

I would go so far as to say there are some uber-conservatives on this forum who said that defense was correct and the shooter should have gone free.

TBUGS still making the broad and general critique and name calling of anyone who disagrees with HIS position !

Originally Posted by waynet

Wow! I'm now a Marxist...cool.

Certainly explains alot.

Originally Posted by Avista

I agree! This is between a woman, her husband, her doctor and her God. No place for the government here.

yep, it's between a mom, a dad, a doctor and God...and this little guy in the Diary of an Unborn Baby......[U]http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/f...velopment.html[U]...and for those of you who don't go to the website- brain waves are detected at 6weeks after conception...FIRST TRIMESTER!

Bucco,

You seem to have mixed me up with someone else again. Please do not do it anymore or I will have to get the ADMIN to intercede. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

Katz,

I do disagree with you on the matter of when life begins. I believe life begins at birth - when the baby takes it's first breath on it's own.

I am Pro-Choice. Pro-Choice means exactly that. It is up to each mother (not a priest, not a politician, not anyone but herself) to decide if abortion is the right thing or is not the right thing to do for each individual circumstance.

This is not something that should be legislated in any way.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Bucco,

You seem to have mixed me up with someone else again. Please do not do it anymore or I will have to get the ADMIN to intercede. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

Bucco is one of the most straight shooters here. I say, "thee protest too much"

Originally Posted by buggyone

Katz,

I do disagree with you on the matter of when life begins. I believe life begins at birth - when the baby takes it's first breath on it's own.

I am Pro-Choice. Pro-Choice means exactly that. It is up to each mother (not a priest, not a politician, not anyone but herself) to decide if abortion is the right thing or is not the right thing to do for each individual circumstance.

This is not something that should be legislated in any way.

Sir, you can believe what you want to believe, you are certainly free to do that. Believe that the earth is flat, or that broccoli causes cancer, but your believing doesn't make it fact. Also, you are entitled to your own opinion, even if it is not in alignment with scientific evidence.(Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Biology)-life-"the state or quality that distinguishes living beings or organisms from dead ones and from inorganic matter, characterized chiefly by metabolism, growth, and the ability to reproduce and respond to stimuli." You might also consider one of the simple definitions in Webster's-life:c : an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction .
(Pretty sure that an unborn baby has us both beat on its rate of growth alone.)
It isn't legal for a mother to take the life of her own child, that sir, is murder, against which there is a law.

Abortion really has me confused. Liberals are supposed to be the bleeding hearts, right? They do not want to see murderers executed no matter how heinous the crime? They want all the taxpayers to give their money to all government social programs. Yet they don't blink an eye when a baby is ripped from a mother's womb and killed? Really, please explain why liberal's hearts turn cold and murderous when it involves the most vulnerable beings on earth, the unborn?

Katz,

I respect your viewpoints as you seem very passionate about them. Pleae do take the time and read with an open mind the link that I posted. It will not change your mind but may give you some insight to the way others think on this matter. Thank you.

http://amberdragonflypress.com/march/pro-choice.htm#4

So what I hear you saying is that you believe me that life begins at conception?...but you don't want bad things to happen to those whose desire to abort their own baby?...Don't be too sure that is all that safe today either.



Abortion doctor faces 8 counts of murder...http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...nts-of-murder/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...701801_pf.html
http://afterabortion.org/2005/womens...ion-new-study/

Mom bleeds to death after abortion perforates her uterus...http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2009/...-abortion.html

It remains, that two wrongs do not make one right.

No, Katz, I personally believe that life begins at birth when a baby breaths it's first breath.

I am Pro-Choice and will only vote for a Pro-Choice candidate.

You may believe what you wish - and I respect your right to do so. I am not going to argue this point on anymore as there is no way either of us could say anything to to convince the other. Thank you for respecting my right to my viewpoints.