Originally Posted by rubicon

I suspect that many of the posters here have read biographies on some of our past presidents. If you recall many of them started out with many critics but eventually won them over. And it is a given that history is kinder to past presidents then some may deserve.

In my opinion voters can now pass judgement on Obama because he has had his 15 minutes in the sun and has failed miserably.

Romney on the other hand is in campaign mode. It requires give and take between candidate and voter for a variety of reasons including not turning voters off too soon before a candidate has had an opportunity to build his/her programs.

FDR was a favorite but not one of my favorites. History was kinder to him than he deserved. Many of his policies during the depression were wrong and prolonged it. Clinton would have also failed miserably but for the six years that he had to work with a Republican Congress. History also favors him more than he deserves. Nixon was a total disaster short of his opening negotiations with China. Kennedy was popular only and revered due to his demise. Truman is a favorite of mine because he could be trusted and stood by his decisions many of which carried high consequences. Ronald Reagan is my favorite because he reintroduced patriotism and pride in America and brought propserity back to America.

I believe that Romney will make a good president because he has the intelligence, experience in problem solving and decision making, humble but confident,understands the economy and is very ehtical. He unlike Obama works to build things and concensus whereas Obama's background as an organizer was alwaysto tear down and divide.

Hope you are right Rubi.................time will tell. BTW Truman is my favorite, for much the same reasons, plus we are both Missourians.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Hope you are right Rubi.................time will tell. BTW Truman is my favorite, for much the same reasons, plus we are both Missourians.

Truman....the reluctant President...if you havent read the book on his life, I suggest it.

What Romney has to do that this president could have done is spend his energy in getting the house and senate on the same page.

If you read about HOW he handled the Olympic problem, he exhibited many of the qualities being discussed !

Originally Posted by Bucco

Truman....the reluctant President...if you havent read the book on his life, I suggest it.

What Romney has to do that this president could have done is spend his energy in getting the house and senate on the same page.

If you read about HOW he handled the Olympic problem, he exhibited many of the qualities being discussed !

I have read a couple books on his life, as well as a couple on Kansas City politics in which he was prominently featured. The part that is really fascinating is the period prior to his national political career. He was backed for judge of jackson county (Greater KC MO.) by the pendergast machine, but refused to do their bidding after he was in office. Still pendergast admired him. At the University of Missouri in 1964 when his name was brought up in a political science class, he was booed by many in the lecture hall. Funny how those perceptions change with time.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Personally, I don't find you "bigger than the story", it is only your ego that is bigger than anything that I can see. Interesting you see me to be pompous, it must mean you see me as an equal.
"Without comment", you mean you post a story without caveat and expect that we would assume you are not in agreement?
It's the Huffington Post attacking Scarborough.... Did you read your own link? The story was exerpted in Huffington Post and appeared in it's entirety in New York Magazine, by the way, four years ago.

I do agree with the story, but it's still your liberal Huffington Post that posted it, and then you also say it was a story in the very liberal New York magazine.

Case closed. The liberal New York Magazine and the liberal Huffington Post recognise one of their own.

You make this too easy Ed.

Just wondering.

I haven't found much specificity, other than his long list of rants against Obama. If Richie can find some specific plans on how he'll address some of the big issues facing the country, maybe I could get a little more excited about the guy.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Just wondering.

I haven't found much specificity, other than his long list of rants against Obama. If Richie can find some specific plans on how he'll address some of the big issues facing the country, maybe I could get a little more excited about the guy.

I also have received NO response to my inquiry about Obama specifics !!!!!!!

Just want to stay in line !!!!

Nor can I find that quote or video VK !

A little more from Morning Joe...

"MSNBC’s Morning Joe co-host Joe Scarborough fell into some hot water earlier this month when he made a sweeping (and inaccurate) generalization about the NYT‘s election coverage. His assertion, that the NYT had not reported on former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry‘s wealth to the extent that the paper has on current Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, was backed up by TIME‘s Mark Halperin. Halperin said he didn’t “recall” extensive reporting by the NYT on Kerry’s wealth.

This morning, Scarborough’s co-host Mika Brzezinski read an excerpt from a NYT Sunday editorial specifically criticizing Sheldon Adelson, a multi-billionaire who has said he may donate $100 million to defeat President Barack Obama‘s reelection bid.

“I think it’s unfortunate that you only get one side of the story on the editorial page. Where are all the [liberal billionaire and Democratic donor] George Soros editorials?” Scarborough said indignantly, apparently not having learned anything from the last time he went down this road. But Halperin, unwilling to be a fool for the second time, was more cautious. “There might have been some. I’m sure our friends at the Times will send them to us,” he said.

To be sure, we weren’t able to find any NYT editorials calling out the influence of Soros’ donations in elections. Kudos to Halperin for not blindly backing the host."

https://www.google.com/#q=ROMNEY+ON+...w=1227&bih=502

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Just wondering. Has Richie Posted Any Specifics On The Romney Campaign Yet?
I haven't found much specificity, other than his long list of rants against Obama. If Richie can find some specific plans on how he'll address some of the big issues facing the country, maybe I could get a little more excited about the guy.

You're kidding me right? Why do you want me to post Romney promises or plans or ideas or whatever it is you think I'm supposed to research for you O' Fearless Romney Voter??

I don't need to do that. There's no way I'm voting for President Peron......I mean Obama, and that's all I've got to say about it. I don't need to justify Romney's qualifications or platform because for me it's irrelevant.

The one thing I know is that Romney is an All-American freedom loving capitalist who understands the private sector. There's not one of those things that applies to Obama.

I'm sorry if my immense distaste for the Obama Presidency is irking you.

Someone would get the outrageous idea you're one of those ardent supporters of Obama looking to trip me up on the Romney candidacy, and we all know that's not true............don't we?

Originally Posted by Bucco

I also have received NO response to my inquiry about Obama specifics !!!!!!!

Just want to stay in line !!!!

Nor can I find that quote or video VK !

Bucco, I watched it live this morning. His statement was during the first hour of the program. I wrote down his quote.

Now either you're going to believe me when I quoted him or not. Either way is OK with me. But I don't intend to jump thru hoops trying to retrieve a video clip for you just because you don't get up early enough in the morning to watch the show yourself. Whether I do or don't won't change your vote or mine anyway. I've got lots better things to do with my time.

Sorry.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Bucco, I watched it live this morning. His statement was during the first hour of the program. I wrote down his quote.

Now either you're going to believe me when I quoted him or not. Either way is OK with me. But I don't intend to jump thru hoops trying to retrieve a video clip for you just because you don't get up early enough in the morning to watch the show yourself. Whether I do or don't won't change your vote or mine anyway. I've got lots better things to do with my time.

Sorry.

You do not need to do a thing but did you notice that when asked pointed questions we either get your last sentence or the dreaded...

"This is so unimportant when compared to the critical issues facing the country and our political leaders that it doesn't justify a response." (your quote so often on here)

Point is, from my point of view, conversation to you seems to be, at least based on what I see...what YOU and where YOU want the conversation to go.

I just do not understand...if you get any objections, the conversation is over with you.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

You're kidding me right? Why do you want me to post Romney promises or plans or ideas or whatever it is you think I'm supposed to research for you...I don't need to do that...that's all I've got to say about it. I don't need to justify Romney's qualifications or platform because for me it's irrelevant...

OK, with that statement I guess we can figure out the veracity of some of the baseless claims you make almost daily.

By the way, you don't irk me, even one little bit. My reaction to your posts is more sympathetic than anything else.

Originally Posted by Bucco

You do not need to do a thing but did you notice that when asked pointed questions we either get your last sentence or the dreaded...

"This is so unimportant when compared to the critical issues facing the country and our political leaders that it doesn't justify a response." (your quote so often on here)

Point is, from my point of view, conversation to you seems to be, at least based on what I see...what YOU and where YOU want the conversation to go.

I just do not understand...if you get any objections, the conversation is over with you.

Bucco, what you asked me to do was research the quote I used for you. I suggested you do it yourself. If you feel that ends the conversation on the subject, consider it ended.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Bucco, what you asked me to do was research the quote I used for you. I suggested you do it yourself. If you feel that ends the conversation on the subject, consider it ended.

No comments on the Obama plans.....wherein Romney was criticized in this thread and on Morning Joe ?

No comments on the money issue brought up by Scarborough and the NY Times supposed bias ?

All relate to the same show, and the same subject, UNLESS this is simply to call out ONLY Romney !!!

And you did expound a lot on Romney !

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

OK, with that statement I guess we can figure out the veracity of some of the baseless claims you make almost daily.

By the way, you don't irk me, even one little bit. My reaction to your posts is more sympathetic than anything else.

Nice little bit of editing of my quote. It was a short post, there was no need to truncate it , but I know why you did. It's a cheap ploy.

Your first sentence is ridiculous. The "veracity" of my claims? What a joke.

My point was clear and concise. I don't need to blather endlessly as you do. The time for all the concerns that you're kvetching about was in the Republican Primary, and that boat has sailed, I'm so sorry to tell you.

Romney is the candidate. What else do I need to know. You think any amount of useless rhetoric from you, or some other liberal moderate, is going to change my mind and make me think that Peron, I mean Obama, is worth considering so that he can devote another 4 years to devolving this nation of ours?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Nice little bit of editing of my quote. It was a short post, there was no need to truncate it , but I know why you did. It's a cheap ploy.

Your first sentence is ridiculous. The "veracity" of my claims? What a joke.

My point was clear and concise. I don't need to blather endlessly as you do. The time for all the concerns that you're kvetching about was in the Republican Primary, and that boat has sailed, I'm so sorry to tell you.

Romney is the candidate. What else do I need to know. You think any amount of useless rhetoric from you, or some other liberal moderate, is going to change my mind and make me think that Peron, I mean Obama, is worth considering so that he can devote another 4 years to devolving this nation of ours?

There may be three people M/L on this board that agree with or care about your thoughts and some 313+ million people in this country who will never know who you are or care. As for me, I am way beyond caring what you think, I only answer your posts because of your misrepresentions, and snide efforts at insult - that and because I find it amusing.