Are you really concerned that millions of illegal citizens are going to vote in the national election? Balderdash!

As long as dems can rent buses and have people on call to fill in a few extra ballots, YES!

Originally Posted by Xavier

Every word and every thought that an individual writes, says or thinks provides a crystal clear picture of their soul.

Xavier

I can see that you are, again, infering that I am a racist because I quoted an article with NAACP in it?? Give me a break, please.

Geeze, xavier, can't a person post an article that was printed in our own Daily Sun. Did you comment on the article? No....you commented on what you perceive to be my character.

Answer the question, please....what the heck is wrong with people looking out for fraud?

Originally Posted by ceejay

I can see that you are, again, infering that I am a racist because I quoted an article with NAACP in it?? Give me a break, please.

Geeze, xavier, can't a person post an article that was printed in our own Daily Sun. Did you comment on the article? No....you commented on what you perceive to be my character.

Answer the question, please....what the heck is wrong with people looking out for fraud?

Nothing, as long as there is fraud. In Florida, voter fraud is rarer than shark attacks.



In Florida, voter fraud is rarer than shark attacks - Tampa Bay Times

Originally Posted by buggyone

Are you really concerned that millions of illegal citizens are going to vote in the national election? Balderdash!

Absolutely without a doubt...millions, no...not sure where you came up with that number, but the point to me is.....why would anyone be against a voter needing to show their photo id before voting ?

Originally Posted by janmcn

Nothing, as long as there is fraud. In Florida, voter fraud is rarer than shark attacks.



In Florida, voter fraud is rarer than shark attacks - Tampa Bay Times

The thread is about Arizona, but you cite an article on Florida so not sure of what point you are making ????

From my point of view...I dont care the percentages......I want all citizens be allowed to vote....if you dont want any id's, then let us stop registration and simply take your word for it when you show up at the polls.

One would have to be very very naive to believe that voter fraud does not exist in America. But IMHO these naivetes are more fox than naive.

The Department of Justice approved a voter ID requirement for Georgia in 2005. In 2008 Crawford v Marion County Election Board, the Supreme Court ruled that a similar Indiana requirement for photo ID would not impose an undue burden on voters. These states joined 31 other states requiring photo ID's for voting.

Attorney Generals have always played politics but none has carried it to the art form of Eric Holder, whom along with Obama, Assistant AG Perez, NAACP and the ACLU prevented Texas from enacting such requirement even though Texas agreed to issue such photos ID's free of charge.

Apparently free contraceptives are more important of a priority than free photo ID cards ensuring a fair and clean result Hmmmmmmmmm

A requirement for voting is that a person has to be of legal age and a citizen.
So how does one determine that without a photo ID? And how does one know if the person voting is not using the name of a person now deceased, their dog's name ,etc.

IMHO enforcing a photo ID is essential to protection of our democracy unless of course you don't mind foreigners deciding who your elected officials will be.
Or perhaps we could go to Plan B and require each voter to stick their finger in ink so that at least we knew that they didn't vote twice.....perhaps?????

Bottom line make any excuse you want or will ,but isn't it simply better not to guess and eliminate as much as possible the opportunity for fraud.

I opine you decide

Originally Posted by njbchbum

a somewhat dated article - but a good explanation of you constitutional right to vote according to a couple of supreme court decisions:

Beyond the Voting Rights Act:

"...In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so (mostly black) residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court's interpretation that our Constitution "does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it's state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”

As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments..."

have there been any decisions to overturn those mentioned in the 2005 article?

Dead people, made up names, pets are not "qualified" and that has nothing to do with minorities.

Voter ID: State Requirements


The link below discusses some of the cases involved. It does seem to have a liberal slant to it though when compared with what I have been hearing on Megyn Kelly's show on FOX News while writing this.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content...egory/voter_id

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws

Originally Posted by Bucco

The thread is about Arizona, but you cite an article on Florida so not sure of what point you are making ????

From my point of view...I dont care the percentages......I want all citizens be allowed to vote....if you dont want any id's, then let us stop registration and simply take your word for it when you show up at the polls.

Don't see any mention of Arizona. The title of the thread is "Voter ID Card". The system we've had in place seems to be working just fine with .00003% voter fraud.

Originally Posted by janmcn

Don't see any mention of Arizona. The title of the thread is "Voter ID Card". The system we've had in place seems to be working just fine with .00003% voter fraud.

Hey, thats your slant on things, thats how you feel. You dont live in a border state for one thing....where fraud can be dangerous....you obviously made an effort to get an id card......not sure why you dont think everyone should ??

Not sure why ANYONE would oppose such a law....what are you doing...protecting the right to vote and what do you ask for that...get an id....tough and terrible thing isnt it ?

Originally Posted by Xavier

Yes, I would guess that they want to block certain segments of the population from voting. From what I've been able to glean from several sources, they ONLY want to stop people that don't look like them, don't think like them, aren't as well off as they are and those that have a "D" on their voter registration card. They also don't want to take a chance that older citizens may not vote as they would like. To many of the "Rs", women in general are not capable of making decisions of this importance and certainly not decisions regarding their own body. There doesn't appear to be a problem of significance with voter abuse. Pennsylvania in 13 years has come up with only 12 instances involving voter improprieties. Alabama and Mississippi has fewer than that. I just think that if they just keep about 25% of the voters away from the voting locations they just may have a chance. It's pretty obvious that the states with "Rs" in the Governor's offices are making an organized effort to steal an election.

Xavier

Xavier hit the nail on the head. The Republicans want to steal elections legally just like they did with Bush vs Gore.

There is no voter fraud going on that has any impact on any election. I am sure if any fraud goes on in the Democrat party that the same amount goes on in the Republican party.

This is just another typical example of trying to block minorities from voting by the Republicans.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Are you really concerned that millions of illegal citizens are going to vote in the national election? Balderdash!

I'm concerned about illegal immigrants (not "citizens" as you said), and all the dead people liberals seem to find to vote for them.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Hey, thats your slant on things, thats how you feel. You dont live in a border state for one thing....where fraud can be dangerous....you obviously made an effort to get an id card......not sure why you dont think everyone should ??

Not sure why ANYONE would oppose such a law....what are you doing...protecting the right to vote and what do you ask for that...get an id....tough and terrible thing isnt it ?

It took me a month and cost me $23.00 to get the documents I needed just to renew my FL driver's license, after having been a FL driver and registered voter for over 12 years. Without access to a computer, this would have been very difficult, and $23.00 is a lot of money to some people including me.

I'm not against voter ID, if states are willing to spend millions of dollars contacting every registered voter and advising them of the changes.

I just saw Rep Sheila Jackson-Lee D-TX being interviewed on TV, and she said that TX averages five voter fraud cases a year.

I don't remember voter fraud being a big issue is 2000, 2004, or 2008. Perhaps you can refresh my memory. And you didn't answer my question on AZ.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Xavier hit the nail on the head. The Republicans want to steal elections legally just like they did with Bush vs Gore.

There is no voter fraud going on that has any impact on any election. I am sure if any fraud goes on in the Democrat party that the same amount goes on in the Republican party.

This is just another typical example of trying to block minorities from voting by the Republicans.

Still with that canard, are you? Tells me all I need to know about liberals. That's why I never believe anything in the liberal media.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Xavier hit the nail on the head. The Republicans want to steal elections legally just like they did with Bush vs Gore.

There is no voter fraud going on that has any impact on any election. I am sure if any fraud goes on in the Democrat party that the same amount goes on in the Republican party.

This is just another typical example of trying to block minorities from voting by the Republicans.

SO, your take on it is, you do not need an photo id if you are different in anyway...otherwise it would be fine...correct me on my interpetation.

Secondly, YOU don't know of any fraud, there fore the must not be any...soooo..in the future, IF anyone thinks there is any, and YOU don't have any, cool it..forget any id's

WHY would anyone object to an id card, ESPECIALLY in these troubled times. Makes no sense to me....if you are a citizen, you can get one...do not think they ask for a financial statement to eliminate poor....never heard of a refusal for in id card based on skin EVER....the statement was made about people who think alike or some other ridiculous thing....dont think if you get an id, they quiz you in anyway.

WHO in the world are you trying to protect and from what...the "stealing elections" is phraseology right out of the Democratic party manual but think about it.....WHAT in the world are you against here...HOW does anyone lose anything....HOW do the poor, etc become whatever you guys think they will become.

The President says you MUST get healthcare even if you dont want it or be punished in some way and that is fine.....yo,,,,when those poor you are so worried about go for that.....what do they present to the health insurance company OR can they just get it on their word.

Nobody has to do anything extreme to get it...it provides security for the country...it costs nothing....it crosses party lines...what is the problem ?