Any energy policy means absolutely nothing when you have leftwing environmental groups (and others) suing at every turn and liberal judges upholding the suits. Thats exactly what I mean. You don't see conservative groups demonizing and suing every energy sector that's most important to us as a nation do you?

Perfect example. You call them big oil boys. We all know liberals hate "big oil" You gonna fill your gas tank with water this week?

There in lies the exact problem. Liberals want people on the dole. They want their constituents dependent on them and not themselves.

Originally Posted by dklassen

Any energy policy means absolutely nothing when you have leftwing environmental groups (and others) suing at every turn and liberal judges upholding the suits. Thats exactly what I mean. You don't see conservative groups demonizing and suing every energy sector that's most important to us as a nation do you?

Perfect example. You call them big oil boys. We all know liberals hate "big oil" You gonna fill your gas tank with water this week?

Lets get one thing straight if you think I am a left wing liberal you are sadly mistaken. So what would you call the oil companies...why did Cheney meet with them in secret? You all hate secret meetings don't you.

Nah....I hardly ever have to fill up my tank...I am most often in a rental car. This week I do have to drive to Atlanta on business so no water for me.

But your need for cheap oil doesn't mean you can polute my drinking water to get it. No left evironmentalist here....I just want safe drinking water in El Paso County.

Originally Posted by dklassen

There in lies the exact problem. Liberals want people on the dole. They want their constituents dependent on them and not themselves.

You are against any type of a social safety net? So that would mean no welfare, no medicaid, unemployment, food stamps....how far are you willing to go?

Nah....I hardly ever have to fill up my tank...I am most often in a rental car

So........Rental cars don't use gas?

Originally Posted by cologal

You are against any type of a social safety net? So that would mean no welfare, no medicaid, unemployment, food stamps....how far are you willing to go?

The net has become a little to comfortable. There's less and less incentive to get out of it.

Especially with liberals fighting for their right to get more and more.

Originally Posted by notlongnow

So........Rental cars don't use gas?

Yes but I don't pay.....

Originally Posted by RichieLion

The net has become a little to comfortable. There's less and less incentive to get out of it.

Especially with liberals fighting for their right to get more and more.

I believe that a social safety net is needed for those who find themselves in trouble. I don't believe that anyone is entitled to skate through life on welfare.

In these exordinary times the extended unemployment benefits have been necessary. Given the levels of unemployment benefits I really don't understand how the Repubs can make a point that those are a good as a job. Not from what I have seen.

BTW just what things are the liberals trying to get more and more?

Yes but I don't pay.....

Well, somebody pays for the gas. I guess then as long as someone pays for the gas you don't care where it comes from or what it cost.

Originally Posted by notlongnow

Well, somebody pays for the gas. I guess then as long as someone pays for the gas you don't care where it comes from or what it cost.

He asked me if I was going to put water in my tank this week... I said no I would be in a rental. Just answered the question.

I am most often in a rental car

I guess I misunderstood your statement then?

If so then I retract the question, if not?

Originally Posted by cologal

Katz... I asked for links about the conseratives helping the poor.

That is just another Repub hate site as far as I could see.

Attacks on the NAACP, Planned Parenthood...the payroll tax cut is a welfare scam. I work, I'm not on welfare, I paid a higher tax rate than Rommey. What makes the payroll tax cut a welfare scam. Do people on welfare pay payroll taxes? I don't think so.

Enlighten me...why is cutting the payroll taxes a welfare scam?

It's not a hate site. It is an organization set up by an African American woman, formerly pro-abortion, fomerly living on welfare and formerly consumed by drugs. In her own words, she has woken up, she has changed her world and gotten herself free from Uncle Sam's Plantation. She works day and night to help others be free from the teat of government, so they too can live lives of dignity, self worth, confidence and their own success. Where is the hate in that?!?!?

Originally Posted by notlongnow

I guess I misunderstood your statement then?

If so then I retract the question, if not?

I still work full time in Hospitals on computers....this week Grady in Atlanta. First 2 weeks in Jan Elmurst in NY that's why the statement I am generally in a rental car.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

It's not a hate site. It is an organization set up by an African American woman, formerly pro-abortion, fomerly living on welfare and formerly consumed by drugs. In her own words, she has woken up, she has changed her world and gotten herself free from Uncle Sam's Plantation. She works day and night to help others be free from the teat of government, so they too can live lives of dignity, self worth, confidence and their own success. Where is the hate in that?!?!?

I looked at the speech in the headlines....

"NAACP Plantation Masters play the Race Card"
"Payroll Tax Cut is a Welfare Scam"

I even asked how the Payroll Tax Cut could be a Welfare Scam but no one answered. So how it is a Welfare Scam?

Originally Posted by cologal

I looked at the speech in the headlines....

"NAACP Plantation Masters play the Race Card"
"Payroll Tax Cut is a Welfare Scam"

I even asked how the Payroll Tax Cut could be a Welfare Scam but no one answered. So how it is a Welfare Scam?

Did you read the articles or just the headlines? Can't always judge the book by it's cover. To whom did you direct your question? Here's the article in it's entirety...maybe it can answer your question?

~"Last year, a one-year cut in the payroll taxes that working Americans pay to finance Social Security was enacted in the name of so-called economic "stimulus."

But, like the rest of the economic stimuli that have come from Washington over the last three years, the only thing that has been stimulated is the growing hole of national debt into which we sink deeper and deeper.

Now, unsurprisingly, our president and his Democratic colleagues want to continue, and possibly expand, this payroll tax holiday despite its obvious failure.

Wait a second: Failure is a matter of definition.

If the point was to help get our economy back on the road to growth and prosperity, the payroll tax holiday has been a failure. But if the point of the payroll tax holiday was not to reduce government interference in our lives but to keep it, grow it, and strengthen the decided movement of the last three years to turn our nation into a welfare-state plantation, it's a great idea.

That is really what is going on here and why President Barack Obama and his Democratic colleagues on Capitol Hill love the idea.

Unlike our income taxes that government takes for general revenue and unspecified spending, the payroll tax is earmarked and specified. It pays for Social Security.

A cut in income taxes, even if not accompanied with an equivalent cut in government spending, puts the pressure for such cuts in place and carries with it the prospect of reduction of government interference in our lives.

But there is no such possibility with the payroll tax. When the tax was reduced "temporarily" last year from 6.2 percent to 4.2 percent, were working Americans asked to agree to an equivalent cut in their Social Security benefits that that payroll tax pays for?

Of course not.

What politician in his or her right mind would suggest to working Americans that they intend to cut Social Security benefits?

But cutting the payroll tax is a dream idea for anyone whose project is turning our nation into a welfare state.

This is because, unlike the income tax, which almost half Americans don't pay, practically every working man and woman pays the payroll tax.

And, what the payroll tax pays for, Social Security, is impossible to cut.

So, if the payroll tax is cut, you have to find another way to pay for those Social Security retirement benefits.

So how about rich people?

Democrats would like for super high-income earners, the top 1 percent, who already pay 40 percent of America's income taxes, to also start paying for everyone's Social Security benefits.

Why not also force high-income earners to put their addresses up on the internet and we can all send them our grocery bills, our car payments, and our kid's tuition bills? Let's get the rich to pay for all our bills, including our retirement.

Unfortunately, some Republicans are allowing themselves to be suckered into this political blackmail.

Cutting payroll taxes earmarked for a Social Security system that is already bankrupt is no way to run a country and no way for people that are allegedly free and responsible citizens to live.

And using a payroll tax holiday as a back door plan to turn Social Security into a middle class welfare program does not bode well for our nation's future.

If the point is to fix Social Security, let working Americans keep their payroll tax and use it to fund their own private retirement account -- an idea that 3 of 4 Americans under 50 favor.

If the point is to restore our economy, let's cut the trillion dollars in new spending we've larded into the government over the last three years and start focusing on rewarding rather than punishing individual freedom and success.