Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Maybe not, if they won't impeach him for not being a natural born citizen, I guess he's off scot free again.

Surely you gest.....and don't call me Shirley.

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

ijustlusit, hate to break your bubble, but Obama did say that in a speech. No way that Israel could ever exist if that happened. Everyone knows that and the current administration has several times tossed Israel under the bus.

Before calling someone sophomoric, you should really check your facts of what is being discussed. Don't get into the name calling as several on this forum seem to like to do. Might have to send them to bed without supper if they keep it up. Gets really boring and add nothing of substance to the discussions.

Also never say anything on this forum that you would not say to someone face to face.

Had you been reading recent threads, you might recall the one I started about how the President, face-to-face with the Israeli PM, mentioned starting discussions from the pre-67 position, and was strongly chastised by Netanyahu. But to the surprise of most of the world, Netanyahu later admitted this unthinkable idea might have some merit.
The originator of this thread missed all of this. Now a month or two later, he/she brings it up again, apparently not knowing all that transpired, showing that the post was simply designed as an excuse to call the President an idiot. THAT'S the garbage.

Why can't we have a discussion on something of importance? Whether or not people continue to argue that Barack Obama is or isn't a citizen is a worthless consumption of our brainpower. He is the POTUS. He was elected the POTUS. No legal effort to overturn that has been successful. He will be the POTUS until January 19, 2013 at least. Why in the world do we waste time continuing discussions like this?

It was started when I mentioned Obama's quote about the intercontinental railroad that the USA built. Apparently the lefties liked to yuck it up when Bush misspoke and bragged that Obama was an impeccable speaker. I guess they don't think misspoken words are funny anymore now that the president of his 57 states is in the White House.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

It was started when I mentioned Obama's quote about the intercontinental railroad that the USA built. Apparently the lefties liked to yuck it up when Bush misspoke and bragged that Obama was an impeccable speaker. I guess they don't think misspoken words are funny anymore now that the president of his 57 states is in the White House.

The Organization of the Islamic Conference has 57 states. Coincidence? Yeah, okay, let's go with that.

It tells me a lot about this man who is our President. The classic Freudian slip.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

The Organization of the Islamic Conference has 57 states. Coincidence? Yeah, okay, let's go with that.

It tells me a lot about this man who is our President. The classic Freudian slip.

I didn't know that. And you posted without attacking another poster or being malicious. Maybe we are starting to have civil discourse?

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

I didn't know that. And you posted without attacking another poster or being malicious. Maybe we are starting to have civil discourse?

Nice to see the lovefest with Richie and villagegolfer continues. Will be fun to see them comisserate in '12.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

The Palestinians and the Jews have been trying to live peacefully together for a couple thousand years. Sometimes there have been third parties who try to encourage them to get along, like we're doing now. Actually, the vast majority of Palestinians and Jews actually do get along, living and working together very peacefully, sometimes even on a friendly basis. It's primarily the political and religious leaders on both sides who continually agitate and cause problems.

So given the current situation, I have a question. I'm not trying to bait anyone and I recognize that the suggestion made by my question is a very short-term response to what has been a centuries-old problem, but here goes...

The majority of Muslims in the Middle East hate the U.S. There are some that choose to get along with us (like the Saudis) because we buy a lot of their oil, send them boatloads of money and provide them with a lot of weapons. But for the most part the Muslims don't like us, even the peaceful Palestinians who are finding a way to co-exist with the Jews on a day-to-day basis. They probably never will. I know I can't imagine a scenario where our relationship with the Islamic countries will be warm and fuzzy. Our politicians will call some of them "allies" (like we call Pakistan), but any clear-thinking person knows better.

So if that's the case, why don't we just forget about trying to encourage peace and trying to figure out who's right and who's wrong between the Palestinians and the Jews. Why not just throw our lot in with Israel, give them a lot of money and weapons--even the atomic kind--and let the parties sort their problems out themselves. We kind of know who'd win and that would be OK with us, wouldn't it?

What d'ya think?

Your assessment is succinctly brilliant. You've got my vote for Secretary of State. In the long term, I would also like to see our relationship with India improved significantly as a part of the new diplomacy.

Originally Posted by cabo35

Your assessment is succinctly brilliant. You've got my vote for Secretary of State. In the long term, I would also like to see our relationship with India improved significantly as a part of the new diplomacy.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

The Palestinians and the Jews have been trying to live peacefully together for a couple thousand years. Sometimes there have been third parties who try to encourage them to get along, like we're doing now. Actually, the vast majority of Palestinians and Jews actually do get along, living and working together very peacefully, sometimes even on a friendly basis. It's primarily the political and religious leaders on both sides who continually agitate and cause problems.

So given the current situation, I have a question. I'm not trying to bait anyone and I recognize that the suggestion made by my question is a very short-term response to what has been a centuries-old problem, but here goes...

The majority of Muslims in the Middle East hate the U.S. There are some that choose to get along with us (like the Saudis) because we buy a lot of their oil, send them boatloads of money and provide them with a lot of weapons. But for the most part the Muslims don't like us, even the peaceful Palestinians who are finding a way to co-exist with the Jews on a day-to-day basis. They probably never will. I know I can't imagine a scenario where our relationship with the Islamic countries will be warm and fuzzy. Our politicians will call some of them "allies" (like we call Pakistan), but any clear-thinking person knows better.

So if that's the case, why don't we just forget about trying to encourage peace and trying to figure out who's right and who's wrong between the Palestinians and the Jews. Why not just throw our lot in with Israel, give them a lot of money and weapons--even the atomic kind--and let the parties sort their problems out themselves. We kind of know who'd win and that would be OK with us, wouldn't it?

What d'ya think?

I cannot see anything potentially productive in your position. And it is nothing but dangerous to give nuclear weapons to anyone, regardless of how committed we are to them.

Surely you jest that "we kind of know who'd win..." is a likely result of arming Israel to the teeth then withdrawing to see how things play out. Very likely it would eventually be "we kind of have a bigger mess than ever".

Let's resist simple solutions. Containment, communication and mediation isn't a bad idea, especially for a conflict measured in milleniums. As long as we've had our hand in it's one of the world situations we haven't screwed up. And hey, there've been a bunch of other miracles over in that area. Why not another one?

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

I cannot see anything potentially productive in your position. And it is nothing but dangerous to give nuclear weapons to anyone, regardless of how committed we are to them.

Surely you jest that "we kind of know who'd win..." is a likely result of arming Israel to the teeth then withdrawing to see how things play out. Very likely it would eventually be "we kind of have a bigger mess than ever".

Let's resist simple solutions. Containment, communication and mediation isn't a bad idea, especially for a conflict measured in milleniums. As long as we've had our hand in it's one of the world situations we haven't screwed up. And hey, there've been a bunch of other miracles over in that area. Why not another one?

Yea, and in the meantime the clock is ticking in Iran. Tick, tick, tick, tick.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Yea, and in the meantime the clock is ticking in Iran. Tick, tick, tick, tick.

So I gather you are suggesting that the answer to dealing with Iran's potential nuclear weapons capability is to give nuclear weapons to Israel.
I can't help but think that would almost insure the possibility of nuclear war. But if you keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of the Israelis in the near future, it is almost certain the Israelis will find a way to 'disarm' Iran by their own devices. They have a real knack for neutralizing the advantages of their potential enemies.

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

So I gather you are suggesting that the answer to dealing with Iran's potential nuclear weapons capability is to give nuclear weapons to Israel.
I can't help but think that would almost insure the possibility of nuclear war. But if you keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of the Israelis in the near future, it is almost certain the Israelis will find a way to 'disarm' Iran by their own devices. They have a real knack for neutralizing the advantages of their potential enemies.

Israel is already nuclear and has been for years, in one of the world's worst kept secrets. It's the only reason it's still in existence.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...ear-power.html

http://www.jewishpost.com/archives/n...ear-power.html