I have to agree with all said here. I could sit here and type all I wanted to on this issue. I can paste links all day that will support one candidate and smear the other, and I believe I have done that. If it is said that McCain is the best choice, I could find plenty to say why your wrong. Same with Obama. With that said, Kahuna and Bucco have covered just about everything. It now comes down to personal choice, and that is something you can't argue about with someone. That is why this is the United States of America. That is what makes our country so good.
I do believe that we need to find a way to stop the attacks on anyone that runs for office that are not warranted. I have been sitting at my computer researching both candidates online and looking at topics that are posted here. And depending on who you want to be in office you can spin the topic to be in favor of your choice. I voted for Obama and i am a Republican, i did so on everything i have seen and read and listned to on the news, net, radio and seen in person. I sat in line to vote Saturday and listnend to a man from a Hard Line Republican retirement community talk why he was votinf for Obama but not be willing to broadcast it due to where he lives. He said he works in The Villages but was given a sample ballot by his employer on how to vote and all the republicans were marked down. That is sad to say..
We as a society have allowed this to happen to us ourselves. I keep thinking of a big party that happend in a place up north that had to do with Taxation withour Representation. One day we will have enough and us as a nation will finally step up and let it be known. We want The Change.

Glad your back on the board Bucco. Missed you. Do you have any idea what it's been like shoveling sand against the tide without your thoughtful perspectives and support? Just remember though, the tide eventually turns.

Don't be a stranger. I understand your frustration but you have to admit, the keystrokes you invest in this forum are at least mildly therapeutic. So ....be of good cheer, don't be discouraged. You may never convert any posters, but, your opinions are always welcome, insightful and appreciated. Further, almost 50%, maybe more, of enlightened Americans agree with you.

Gmoney, good post. Bucco, in case you haven't noticed, the country is already in a downward spiral that will take many years to recover from, in large part thanks to Republicans controlling congress for 10 of the past 12 years, and 8 years of Bushenomics. Yet to each his/her own. I have great confidence in Obama's intelligence, his choice of running mate, and his advisors, so if anyone can dig this country out of the hole it is now in, it will be Obama's adminstration.

Originally Posted by cabo35

Glad your back on the board Bucco. Missed you. Do you have any idea what it's been like shoveling sand against the tide without your thoughtful perspectives and support? Just remember though, the tide eventually turns.

Don't be a stranger. I understand your frustration but you have to admit, the keystrokes you invest in this forum are at least mildly therapeutic. So ....be of good cheer, don't be discouraged. You may never convert any posters, but, your opinions are always welcome, insightful and appreciated. Further, almost 50%, maybe more, of enlightened Americans agree with you.

i agree,,, bucco makes alot of great points when he post!!!

Originally Posted by rekop

Gmoney, good post. Bucco, in case you haven't noticed, the country is already in a downward spiral that will take many years to recover from, in large part thanks to Republicans controlling congress for 10 of the past 12 years, and 8 years of Bushenomics. Yet to each his/her own. I have great confidence in Obama's intelligence, his choice of running mate, and his advisors, so if anyone can dig this country out of the hole it is now in, it will be Obama's adminstration.

I strongly suggest that you read a bit about Sen Obama !!! His background, his training and his associates and what he has said in the past and ignore what he is saying right now !!!

Originally Posted by cabo35

Glad your back on the board Bucco. Missed you. Do you have any idea what it's been like shoveling sand against the tide without your thoughtful perspectives and support? Just remember though, the tide eventually turns.

Don't be a stranger. I understand your frustration but you have to admit, the keystrokes you invest in this forum are at least mildly therapeutic. So ....be of good cheer, don't be discouraged. You may never convert any posters, but, your opinions are always welcome, insightful and appreciated. Further, almost 50%, maybe more, of enlightened Americans agree with you.

Thanks Cabo....and I suppose in a way it is therapeutic !!!

I could do a monologue on your comment...."Further, almost 50%, maybe more, of enlightened Americans agree with you." I heard a comment last week that had that figure much higher. HOWEVER, the "enlightened" and "innovative" ways to get voters is sort of a setback.

I am waiting, and you can bet the farm on this one....after the election..well after...but if Sen Obama wins as the polls suggest, there will come out so much crap on registration, voting and fund raising IF AND ONLY IF,he ticks off the press...if he stays nice nice with them, you will never hear it but if you look around, you can find all the smoke you want on the registration and fund raising...all being pooh poohed by the Sen Obama campaign and the mainstream media !

Kahunna..I so agree with you..Nothing wrong with anything that WE AMERICANS inherited from the wonderful era of FDR.....Repuplican party has brought the USA to its knees. Obahma may not get everything done that he has promised but not for lack of trying. He is pasionate about this country and it's people..We need passion and determination to move forward...

I've stated before that I'm no GW or JM fan but I am truly scared what will happen of BO wins. I have no doubt that he will take our county to the brink of financial and social disaster. Mark my words, the last couple months will pale in comparison especially if we have a dem super majority in congress which likely we will.

One guy at my work said he was voting for BO because he hated GW and the current administration. I asked if he truly knew what BO was proposing and he said "I don't really care what he's proposing." It literally sent a chill up my spine. I fear there are millions more just like him. They want change for the sake of change and they don't really care what the change is.

Originally Posted by dklassen

I've stated before that I'm no GW or JM fan but I am truly scared what will happen of BO wins. I have no doubt that he will take our county to the brink of financial and social disaster. Mark my words, the last couple months will pale in comparison especially if we have a dem super majority in congress which likely we will.

One guy at my work said he was voting for BO because he hated GW and the current administration. I asked if he truly knew what BO was proposing and he said "I don't really care what he's proposing." It literally sent a chill up my spine. I fear there are millions more just like him. They want change for the sake of change and they don't really care what the change is.

Your post is so typical DKLASSEN ! Folks will vote for this guy JUST TO HAVE CHANGE, without knowing about this man. If the polls are correct, we are voting a regime into office that has such damaging potential to all aspects of our life. We know so little about this guy and what we know validates all those "chills up your spine" !

I dont think I have ever said such a thing about any candidate, but I have also never investigated one so deeply. This is sort of like watching a B movie as he charms his way to the WH, and a with campaign financing he never does what he says he will do...NEVER...yet we still follow him !!

Could it possibly be that the people have seen something different the what you may see. I know it hard to believe that others have their eyes and ears open as we do. The same can be said for McCain, i am sure there are people voting for him just because they dont want Obama in office. Weather it be due to race, religion or things that have been said. He is telling the country what they want and need to hear. Hard for me gather that there are so many people wrong and you guys might be the only right ones.
I will give it to the McCain-Palin. Having Joe the Plumber on stage with her, That really makes me want to vote for them. Got to be kidding me, then he makes his own policy speech for mccain that obama is against Israel. that was real smart. You even have Fox News talking about how missed up that was. That is who you want for President and the CEO of this nation, someone who brings a guy like to the talking for you. Really smart move....

The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominate political mythology. - Michael Parenti

I guess this really could be bantered back and forth for quite some time but history will tell the true story. If the American people see fit to put BO in control of our country I'm sure this thread will be revisited in a few years. I stand on my guarantee that many will be very surprised at the actual change they end up with.

One of BO and JB's main campaign PROMISES that each have drilled in into our heads at least a thousand times is that 95% of ALL Americans will get tax cuts. I am one of those 95%. Well see.

It will be interesting to see how he works out spending a trillion new dollars in programs, gets everyone health care and gives 95% of all Americans a tax cut and at the same time creates new jobs from those companies he's vowed to raise taxes on. Keep in mind these are all things he himself promised us and are his main campaign talking points.

I like JM’s plan better. Leave the Bush tax cuts in place at current levels, cut capitol gains rate to spur growth and investment in companies (works every time it’s tried) and put in place an across the board Washington spending freeze until they can get their own house in order and sort this mess out. Call me crazy but that approach sounds pretty practical to me.

It’s a proven fact that when you cut the capitol gains rate, more jobs are created. More people working brings in more money to Washington and more money goes into social security. Something I’m sure we are all interested in. The democrats turn that around and call it tax breaks for the wealthy. I’ve asked this a hundred times, when in your lifetime has a poor person ever provided a job for you you?

BO actually wants to increase the capitol gains rate under the premise that he can redistribute the money to people who aren’t paying taxes in the first place which is about 42% of our population.

How does that create jobs?

I think the fundamental premise of the OP is flawed. I find it odd that an administration that oversaw 8 years of depression (not recession) is looked back at in a favorable light. A lot of what FDR and his rubber stamp congress did (such as huge tax increases and protectionism) directly contributed to the length of the depression. Were it not for the rise of an even more prominent threat (war in Europe and Asia), FDR would have been thrown out of office in 1940.

Likewise with LBJ, I think a lot of what he did with his Great Society has led to the rot and despair of today's inner city.

Originally Posted by oshunluva

Yes! bucco is awesome. Good job guy!

Abraham Lincoln:
Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment nothing can fail; without it nothing can succeed. He who molds public sentiment goes deeper than he who enacts statutes or decisions possible or impossible to execute.

Franklin D. Roosevelt had that kind of political power after the 1932 elections. The results were the creation of Social Security, the FDIC to guarantee bank deposits, Fannie Mae to assure the ability of people to buy homes.

Speaking of Social Security, I also think that was one the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the American people.

You pay into it all your life and the government keeps raising the age limit to get it back hoping you’ll die before you actually need it. Not only that, even though the money is yours, what happens if you go out an try to earn a little extra to supplement it? You can only do so much before you are panelized. Wait a minute; I thought the money I paid in was mine?

Imagine if banks did that with your savings account. After retirement you start drawing out a little each month. Then you get a letter from the bank telling saying you are earning too much on the side and you can’t draw out as much each month.

Who would stand for that? But yet when the government does it to us we just shake our heads and live with it.

I heard the other day that one of BO’s inner circle proposed to get rid of 401k’s and roll your money to the government where they can dole it out with your SSI checks w/ 3% interest. Is there nothing we have they aren’t trying to figure out a way to grab control of?

And Fannie Mae? They sure did assure the ability of people to buy homes, even the ones who can’t afford to pay for them. Seems that one got us in a bit of a pickle also.

With the exception of our fine Military I don’t see much of anything the government ever gets right, especially social programs (via FDR’s new deal). We’ve transferred trillions of dollars into social programs and still we have poverty and some people who just can’t seem to make it.

How much more of our money do we need to send to Uncle Sam to insure other people’s future?

I have a radical idea. How about the government let’s us keep our money so we can inure our own futures.