Originally Posted by Guest

After further review here are the actual facts of the case:

https://www.oregon.gov/boli/SiteAsse...Cakes%20FO.pdf

In Nov 2011 this couple purchased a wedding cake from Sweet Cakes for one of couples mother. There was no incident. In 2013 they went back to Sweet Cakes to order a wedding cake for themselves. When asked for the Bride and Grooms name the couple responded with 2 women's names. At that point the baker refused to bake the cake and called the women an "Abomination".

Is was in no way a make up case. I have included the actual ruling from the case.

Wherever you got your information it appears they misled you about the facts of the case. Perhaps you could provide a link to the source of your information for review.

He had or should have had every eight to say/do that. Some day the bar may be lowered so far that even YOU consider it too far. Should you be forced to work for someone you loathe?

Originally Posted by Guest

He had or should have had every eight to say/do that. Some day the bar may be lowered so far that even YOU consider it too far. Should you be forced to work for someone you loathe?

I am afraid, in point of fact, that has already happened to me. I already said that no clergy should be required to perform a wedding for a gay couple. To me that is a bridge to far....but I also don't agree with the Catholic nuns who are way over the top on birth control pill coverage.

Your religious freedom cannot trump someone's Civil Rights....

Originally Posted by Guest

He had or should have had every eight to say/do that. Some day the bar may be lowered so far that even YOU consider it too far. Should you be forced to work for someone you loathe?

Do you have a link that supports the statement that these women wanted the cake to be delivered?

Originally Posted by Guest

Do you have a link that supports the statement that these women wanted the cake to be delivered?

I`m not the person you are addressing . However have you ever heard of someone picking up their Wedding Cake . 90% of the time the Wedding Cake is deliverred to the site of the post-ceremony reception .

Originally Posted by Guest

I am afraid, in point of fact, that has already happened to me. I already said that no clergy should be required to perform a wedding for a gay couple. To me that is a bridge to far....but I also don't agree with the Catholic nuns who are way over the top on birth control pill coverage.

Your religious freedom cannot trump someone's Civil Rights....

That has nothing to do with "Civil Rights." Show me where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that mandates the gov to cover health care. Birth Control and Contraception is a convenience. The gov should not attempt to mandate a lifestyle. Gov tyranny is what caused the origination of United States.

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That has nothing to do with "Civil Rights." Show me where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that mandates the gov to cover health care. Birth Control and Contraception is a convenience. The gov should not attempt to mandate a lifestyle. Gov tyranny is what caused the origination of United States.

They use the tired old : "Provide for the general welfare" as the excuse to give away all kinds of things. As the reason for quotas and affirmative action. Even for corporate welfare since it will "benefit" some people.

Tyranny will be the end of it too.

It's not different this time...

Originally Posted by Guest

I`m not the person you are addressing . However have you ever heard of someone picking up their Wedding Cake . 90% of the time the Wedding Cake is deliverred to the site of the post-ceremony reception .

The discussions about the cake was over as soon as both names on the cake were female. The bakery owner stated they were an abomination.

Perhaps if the bakery owner had been a little over the top this might not have gone to court.

Originally Posted by Guest

The discussions about the cake was over as soon as both names on the cake were female. The bakery owner stated they were an abomination.

Perhaps if the bakery owner had been a little over the top this might not have gone to court.

You mean that the owner should compromise. He/she could have handled it a bit better. They should have made the cake and then dropped it when they got it to it's destination.....whoops. Instead of being honest with how they feel. He/she could have told them to kiss his @ss, but they probably would have.

Remember, it's OK for the gays to call you a bigot, but please remember not to use derogatory names when describing their deviant, abnormal nature.

Originally Posted by Guest

Remember, it's OK for the gays to call you a bigot, but please remember not to use derogatory names when describing their deviant, abnormal nature.

That goes for women and minorities too. It's always someone else responsible for their woes.

Men and whites, the devils...always in control, telling them what to do.

But look what happens when you let them "run their own life". The minorities fall into squalor and poverty and the women end up on welfare with kids from different fathers. We really need to go back to the ways of the 50s. The gays end up dead from AIDS.

Originally Posted by Guest

You mean that the owner should compromise. He/she could have handled it a bit better. They should have made the cake and then dropped it when they got it to it's destination.....whoops. Instead of being honest with how they feel. He/she could have told them to kiss his @ss, but they probably would have.

Remember, it's OK for the gays to call you a bigot, but please remember not to use derogatory names when describing their deviant, abnormal nature.

Now just I minute.....the people he spoke to where a women and her mother. He asked for the names and then he went off on a religious rant. It could have been handled differently.

I wil refrain from any remarks on the rest of your post! Other than this:

Originally Posted by Guest

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I clearly understand this amendment but I also understand how it can be misunderstood.

I am going to use the Private Country example. For many years women, such as myself, were NOT allowed to be a primary member of a Country Club and they were NOT allowed to get a tee time on Saturday and Sunday afternoons. As membership fell over the years Country Clubs looked for other streams of income. So they opened these clubs for public uses for a fee. Think weddings.

Had they remained a PRIVATE club nothing could be done to change the rules. Think Augusta! However, once they opened their doors to accommodate the PUBLIC they were required to treat everyone the same. So that is how I a single women got a primary membership in a country club.

This, of course, went through the court system.

If you are an establishment open to the public you also have to treat everyone the same. You can't say you won't bake a cake for a gay person or a black person or a Muslim.

In my opinion, if these laws go though the Courts they will be struct down.

This is NOT an assault on your religion, if you don't want to bake cakes for a protected class then don't be a PUBLIC company.

I don't think that these laws are just about baking cakes. There seems to be an issue of transgenders and restrooms. I don't know about you, but my wife and daughters do not want to share a restroom with a guy dresses as a woman. Perhaps you are a different type of woman, that does not have that modesty. But, just because there has been an issue about the selling of a cake, does not make that the whole issue. We have nuns that are being told to supply birth control, as well as other businesses required to do the same, when they do not wish to for reason of religious faith. What's next, is the gov going to require Jews and Muslims to consume pork?

Women are very adamant about a woman's choice to commit baby murder(abortion) and insist that it is a RIGHT. Gays are adamant that it is their RIGHT to same sex marriage. Minorities insist that Affirmative Action is a Right. Socialists insist that the Wealthy pay for Free College, that education is a RIGHT. Muslims insist that it is a right for a woman to have her drivers license photo be taken with them wearing a burka covering their face.

Interesting that the 1st Amendment does not cover any of those RIGHTS but it does include Religious Freedom, not from religion but the free practice of religion.

And we have someone worried about a gay wedding cake. Go figure.

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't think that these laws are just about baking cakes. There seems to be an issue of transgenders and restrooms. I don't know about you, but my wife and daughters do not want to share a restroom with a guy dresses as a woman. Perhaps you are a different type of woman, that does not have that modesty. But, just because there has been an issue about the selling of a cake, does not make that the whole issue. We have nuns that are being told to supply birth control, as well as other businesses required to do the same, when they do not wish to for reason of religious faith. What's next, is the gov going to require Jews and Muslims to consume pork?

Women are very adamant about a woman's choice to commit baby murder(abortion) and insist that it is a RIGHT. Gays are adamant that it is their RIGHT to same sex marriage. Minorities insist that Affirmative Action is a Right. Socialists insist that the Wealthy pay for Free College, that education is a RIGHT. Muslims insist that it is a right for a woman to have her drivers license photo be taken with them wearing a burka covering their face.

Interesting that the 1st Amendment does not cover any of those RIGHTS but it does include Religious Freedom, not from religion but the free practice of religion.

And we have someone worried about a gay wedding cake. Go figure.

First, transgender does not mean dressing up in women's clothes. If you have to ever been in a women's bathroom, you would know each toilet has a private stall. You would not know if the person in the next stall was a male or female.

Affirmative Action is no more! No state allows a driver license photo to have the face covered. Free college is a campaign issue but has no chance of becoming law. Abortion and same sex marriage are both the law of the land!

As for the free practice of religion you want - how do you feel about Wiccan rites being practiced in a VA Hospital and the government having to hire a Wiccan priest? Or the freedom to practice the Voodoo religion with sacrificial deflowering of unwilling virgins? Or female circumcision to an unwilling girl?

Originally Posted by Guest

That goes for women and minorities too. It's always someone else responsible for their woes.

Men and whites, the devils...always in control, telling them what to do.

But look what happens when you let them "run their own life". The minorities fall into squalor and poverty and the women end up on welfare with kids from different fathers. We really need to go back to the ways of the 50s. The gays end up dead from AIDS.

Do you try to be ignorant or are you really that stupid.

AIDS wasn't a disease until the 80's, fully 30 years after the 50's...

https://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics...aids-timeline/

Now its a disease that can be managed with medication.

Its hard to believe.....

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't think that these laws are just about baking cakes. There seems to be an issue of transgenders and restrooms. I don't know about you, but my wife and daughters do not want to share a restroom with a guy dresses as a woman. Perhaps you are a different type of woman, that does not have that modesty. But, just because there has been an issue about the selling of a cake, does not make that the whole issue. We have nuns that are being told to supply birth control, as well as other businesses required to do the same, when they do not wish to for reason of religious faith. What's next, is the gov going to require Jews and Muslims to consume pork?

Women are very adamant about a woman's choice to commit baby murder(abortion) and insist that it is a RIGHT. Gays are adamant that it is their RIGHT to same sex marriage. Minorities insist that Affirmative Action is a Right. Socialists insist that the Wealthy pay for Free College, that education is a RIGHT. Muslims insist that it is a right for a woman to have her drivers license photo be taken with them wearing a burka covering their face.

Interesting that the 1st Amendment does not cover any of those RIGHTS but it does include Religious Freedom, not from religion but the free practice of religion.

And we have someone worried about a gay wedding cake. Go figure.

I am the OP on the Country Club example that has NOTHING to do with bathrooms....

What is it with the bathroom issue....

Do you really think that women are not being attacked in bathrooms now?

Woman raped in bathroom at Manhattan bar | New York Post

Rape in the USA

https://rainn.org/get-information/st...sexual-assault

A women is raped in this country every 107 secs and you are worried about transgender's....Why don't we focus on rape?