Ohio voters sent a strong message to the Koch Brothers, and their puppet stooge, governor Kasich by overturning an anti-union law. Issue 2 on the ballot would have restricted collective bargaining for public employees.

Next step for Ohions is to get rid of this governor, who is nothing more than a paid mouth piece for ultra-con Koch Bros.

The people have spoken !!!!!

MISSION ACCOMLISHED !!!!!!!!!!

Ohio voters rejected limits on collective bargaining of unionized state employees with 60% of the vote. The AFL-CIO is very pleased this morning.

I guess we can now ignore any Ohioan who complains about their high taxes. They've now given up that privilege. Maybe Ohioans don't know that they actually pay these people?

richielion - i don't think ohioans have given up anything...rather, i think they have insured the right to negotiate thru collective bargaining that the gov and his legislation would have eliminated.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

richielion - i don't think ohioans have given up anything...rather, i think they have insured the right to negotiate thru collective bargaining that the gov and his legislation would have eliminated.

Ohio has $66 Billion Dollars in public pension debt. Ohioans have that bill to pay, and now influenced by $30 Million Dollars of Union paid television advertising, they've overturned a provision to help them come to terms with it.

Hey njbchbum, it's their state and their pocketbooks. How soon before Ohio is begging the Federal Govt. for help and their problem becomes yours? You got enough problems with the public union debt in your own state. That's one reason I fled NJ and burned all bridges behind me.

This win was a singular win event for the Democrats in this election. In the same state of Ohio the voters voted in every district, liberal or conservative, to reject the mandate of ObamaCare. It's only symbolic, but it tells you more than the confusingly worded ballot on collective bargaining did in terms of voter mood in the state.

The unions raised over 30 million dollars, set up 35 field offices and had 17,000 volunteers in order to defeat Issue 2. They won the battle but may have lost the war because killing Issue 2 will do nothing to revive the state economy and put Ohioans back to work

Public unions are dead weight to any state. Examples: 90% of Long Island Railroad Workers retire on disability, even those with desk jobs, adding $36,000 to their pensions, and costing taxpayers $300 million in the last 10 years.

82% of California troopers retire in their last year on disability and so many spike pensions with overtime in the last year it is considered to be a right.

Ohio and Wisconsin governors are in a fight with public unions with the latter claiming governors are trying to decimate their right to bargain but the issues are rich benefit packages that are drowning state budgets with no corresponding increase in productivity.

Termination for incompetence is nonexistent in New York State public unions and in Cincinnati police bargained to have their records expunged every four years making periodic misconduct essentially unaccountable.

Collective bargaining right have made governments virtually unmanageable. Promotions, reassignments layoffs are dictated by rigid rules without opportunity for managerial judgment As an example in 2010 Megan Sampson was voted teacher of the year in Wisconsin. Shortly thereafter she was let go because of the unions last in first out rule

Last year when a virus disabled two computers in a shared federal office the IT techs fixed onebut but refused to fix the second because it wasn't listed on the form

Public employees are precluded from sharing ideas with management because it affects direct dealing rules.

Members reading this post could recite similar stories. For those of you that believe defeat of Issue 2 was a big win you might want to confer with those union members and compare your salary and compensation to theirs. Keep in mind that most of those folks can retire after 20 years and some sooner if they elect disability. What this all leads to is that taxpayers realalistically can be on he hook for 2-3-perhaps 4 people who all performed the same exact job and are now retired with full benefits, disabiled with full benfits and working with retirement just around the corner. What financial affect do you believe it bears on taxpayers?

richielion - n.j. didn't go begging the feds for any help despite their pension debt, so ohio doesn't have to either. n.j.'s elected officials sat with all concerned parties re the pension and benefit debacle and deficit and came up with reform that all parties felt was what was needed and could be passed at this time to sustain future retirements. once the reform was passed, gov christie boasted about how HE had made the future retirement pkgs sustainable [though, todate, he has still failed to make his much reduced contribution]! and now the gov of ohio is forced to do the same - bargain and negotiate! had he just buckled down and done this from the beginning EVERYONE would have suffered far less aggrevation and voters would not have made him appear to have lost a battle.

you post that this was a singular win for democrats; in hind sight one could say that the other side of that coin was that the election of kasich was a singular win for republicans. either way, such statements are shortsighted in that there are public union members in both parties as there are private sector employees in both parties. this win was a win for the principle of collective bargaining - more a democratic principle and practice than a republican one, nonetheless. democrats call it collective bargaining while republicans call it negotiation...either way...this win insures that all parties will provide input to the two sides responsible for reaching a resolution.

the vote to uphold the right to collective bargaining and the vote to to reject the requirement that every citizen have health insurance seems to tell me that ohioans are all for protecting the rights of the individual.

rubicon - your subject line states, 'Issue 2 defeat hurts the taxpayer'. so i have to ask...how many public workers are not taxpayers? they cannot all be tenants not paying property taxes. and those who are tenants are paying their taxes on all other items for which the state collects same - do they not? so often it seems that public workers are discounted as taxpayers.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

rubicon - your subject line states, 'Issue 2 defeat hurts the taxpayer'. so i have to ask...how many public workers are not taxpayers? they cannot all be tenants not paying property taxes. and those who are tenants are paying their taxes on all other items for which the state collects same - do they not? so often it seems that public workers are discounted as taxpayers.

Apparently you only read the subject line. Public union wages and compensation alone are out of whack. Now add to that all the feather bedding, conviving, malingering etc being perpetrated by union employees because they can and they can because of the "so called bargaining rights" which by the way are not legal rights;albeit contractaul rights which ought to be put aside and have the states start all over again. Because if the states do not the debt created by these taxpaying union members is going to drive us all broke. Do the math its all unsustainable

I am an equal opportunity complainer. Fat cat corporate leaders upset me as much as public union leaders both of which have feasted on the flesh of taxpayers long enough.

Respectively written

Rubicon

I live in the great state of Ohio. My employees are members of a state union. It is sad to see the propaganda that is used by the union leaders to brainwash the members. They are mislead in such a way as to keep them from seeing the forest for the trees. The union mentality denies the fact that you cannot get blood from a rock. The good governor was attempting to save the most jobs possible. He has been demonized by the leaders of the unions in attempt to save their phoney bologna jobs. Sad to say, lay-offs have already started...gotta save money somehow.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

I live in the great state of Ohio. My employees are members of a state union. It is sad to see the propaganda that is used by the union leaders to brainwash the members. They are mislead in such a way as to keep them from seeing the forest for the trees. The union mentality denies the fact that you cannot get blood from a rock. The good governor was attempting to save the most jobs possible. He has been demonized by the leaders of the unions in attempt to save their phoney bologna jobs. Sad to say, lay-offs have already started...gotta save money somehow.

The public employee's work has no relation to money being earned, so they have no personal stake in anything. They don't produce the revenue that pays their salaries, as in the private sector.

They're like children on an allowance. They never see any correlation between their pay and any shortage of state revenue. They want theirs and that's that.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

The public employee's work has no relation to money being earned, so they have no personal stake in anything. They don't produce the revenue that pays their salaries, as in the private sector.

They're like children on an allowance. They never see any correlation between their pay and any shortage of state revenue. They want theirs and that's that.

WOW RICHIELION, you put my thoughts EXACTLY into words! After some recent lay-offs, an employee approached me questioning me about what the logic is in the lay-offs. I explained about how the budget works... Her reponse was exactly as I quote here-"Who makes a stupid budget like that?" I was speechless!
I might add, their union leaders are the biggest children! They truly don't get it, they think it is a big game. I have heard them imply that the money is there, just being withheld from them until the game is played out. What a dangerous game. It is sad that these people are leading others, and that others are willing enough to follow blindly

Public "employees" have no right to negotiate money paid to them from taxpayers. There should be no public servant unions. Period.

Yep, Teamsters negotiate with UPS...two different entities. Government union negotiates with the government...basically with themselves?!?

rubicon - i did read your entire post. and i found that it is unfortunate that you are not an equal opportunity credit giver so that you could recognize the good works done by many of the public workers who do not feather bed, connive and/or malinger - but who get up every day and go to work to serve all of the residents of their state, county or municipality.

public employees in n.j. do have a legal right to representation and collective bargaining, given to them in the legislation thru the new jersey employer-employee relations act.

and our gov has assured all n.j. public workers that his recent pension and benefits reform legislation will ensure retirement pensions and benefits for future retirees for years to come. this might be because pension fund members will be paying an increased contribution for both their pension and health benefits pkgs; and because the state is finally going to start paying their share of pension funding - which it had not done for 17 of 10 years. perhaps other govt leaders can take a page from his book.

was glad to read that you can be equally upset by corporate leaders, too.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

rubicon - i did read your entire post. and i found that it is unfortunate that you are not an equal opportunity credit giver so that you could recognize the good works done by many of the public workers who do not feather bed, connive and/or malinger - but who get up every day and go to work to serve all of the residents of their state, county or municipality.

public employees in n.j. do have a legal right to representation and collective bargaining, given to them in the legislation thru the new jersey employer-employee relations act.

and our gov has assured all n.j. public workers that his recent pension and benefits reform legislation will ensure retirement pensions and benefits for future retirees for years to come. this might be because pension fund members will be paying an increased contribution for both their pension and health benefits pkgs; and because the state is finally going to start paying their share of pension funding - which it had not done for 17 of 10 years. perhaps other govt leaders can take a page from his book.

was glad to read that you can be equally upset by corporate leaders, too.

Due to the public union, I am unable to award any of my employees merit raises...