Originally Posted by Guest

I do not ignore. I read and have read.

I have posted on both of them and each time simply get snarky anever really discuss the actual issue.

Believe me, I have done my due diligence on both, and think Trump is insane and agree with his ghost writer...

"If Trump is elected President, he warned, “the millions of people who voted for him and believe that he represents their interests will learn what anyone who deals closely with him already knows—that he couldn’t care less about them.” ♦

Consider his friends over the years. You can google it. It's not people like you or me. I see him looking down his nose on us.

Originally Posted by Guest

Consider his friends over the years. You can google it. It's not people like you or me. I see him looking down his nose on us.

When this whole story started, I really gave this guy the benefit. I did not like him but that is certainly not a prevrequisite.

I watched in horror as he waltzed through the primary season, using his great talent with the media, and taking advantage of what he was doing but using the media (same one he now wants to shut down).

I read everything I could about him...I read all about his business, his associations and without details, although anyone who wants to discuss I will be glad to supply detailed links.

Suffice to say you are correct, he has very few friends.

He is simply stated a punk liar. This episode in history has me more alarmed than any I recal.

If a person with ZERO values or principles, who does not even understand the country and how it has worked for over 200 years can become a candidate by yelling platitudes at angry scared people, what that means is terrifying.

He now has Steve Bannin the master of conspiracy theories and partial distorted facts supplying him the hate language.

This is truely a scary scary man, and I do in fact feel sorry for his followers. He is concerned, and always has been ONLY with Donald Trump.

Just read here. NOBODY is FOR Trump. They are anti Clinton, and he is feeding such tripe and impossible things, I truely worry what the future holds because of him.

If he wins, our country is toast.

If he loses, millions will be left abandoned by him and more angry and frustrated than before. Whatever chance of this country pulling together is gone.

You can blame Obama all you want, as I have, but we now have a "pied piper" for hate, unfettered labeling of all of us and empathy for nobody.

He is so good at the con.

NOTHING IS his fault.

Everything not favorable to HIM is rigged

Everything favorable is because of HIM (not limited recently to our fight with ISIS)

Anything or anyone is labeled. You are a race designation, a heritage label, stupid or whatever HE decides.

He has during this campaign mocked disabled, a POW BECAUSE he was captured, a gold star family, and so many others.

He has cut off the press and tries to intimidate them with threats and then USES his followers to attack them.

He never makes a mistake. Called to his attention makes you a liar.

His "plans" are absurd and mocked by those who understand.

His followers are buying what he tells them about what he can do, and THEY are the nes who will suffer.

Part of his game.....

This news broke at approx 7:14 PM



Iraqi forces have raised the national flag over a church in a town near Mosul retaken from the Islamic State group.

IS militants had sprayed graffiti on the walls of the church, and the floors were littered with dirt and garbage. The extremists had also marked several homes along the main road of Bartella with the first Arabic letter in a derogatory word for Christians, their way of marking Christian property. Under IS rule, Christians are forced to convert to Islam or pay a special tax.

Iraqi special forces pushed into the traditionally Christian town of Bartella, around 15 kilometers (nine miles) from Mosul, on Thursday. The assault is part of a wide-scale offensive to retake Mosul, Iraq's second largest city, which fell to IS in 2014.

Iraqi soldiers rang the church bell in Bartella on Friday and congratulated Christians.

Lt. Gen. Talib Shaghati said "Bartella was liberated yesterday, and today we are inside its church. I bring the good news to our Christian brothers that the church is liberated."

The Latest: Iraqis Raise Flag Over Church in Town Near Mosul - ABC News

Trump tweet at 7:40 PM


"The attack on Mosul is turning out to be a total disaster. We gave them months of notice. U.S. is looking so dumb. VOTE TRUMP and WIN AGAIN!"

Just wondering if any of the Trump supporters are ready to discuss the Trump financial proposals ?

As you like to say...he is a great business man and will get the coal mining back....the steel workers back to work, etc.

I am trying to discuss issues instead of simply character assassination (although so much on Trump)...I think the issues are the most important.

We have the comparison of proposals and such here and if you wish we can talk about any other issue facing our country.

Is this an issue we can talk about or must we endure the extremist links and little cute cartoons...

"Donald Trump on Sunday evening made a bold accusation: That the effort to retake Mosul from the Islamic State is actually an effort to influence the 2016 election -- to help Hillary Clinton.

Trump said something similar at Wednesday night's debate in Las Vegas, though it was overshadowed:

Over at WorldViews, Ishaan Tharoor dissected the practical problems with this argument -- including the fact that the Mosul offensive has been in the works for more than a year, long before Clinton won the Democratic nomination. And then there's the fact that Trump is making an audacious argument about the use of military force for cynical, political purposes while offering no evidence to back it up.

Trump’s brazen claim about Obama using Mosul to help Hillary Clinton makes no sense - The Washington Post

Originally Posted by Guest

Is this an issue we can talk about or must we endure the extremist links and little cute cartoons...

"Donald Trump on Sunday evening made a bold accusation: That the effort to retake Mosul from the Islamic State is actually an effort to influence the 2016 election -- to help Hillary Clinton.

Trump said something similar at Wednesday night's debate in Las Vegas, though it was overshadowed:

Over at WorldViews, Ishaan Tharoor dissected the practical problems with this argument -- including the fact that the Mosul offensive has been in the works for more than a year, long before Clinton won the Democratic nomination. And then there's the fact that Trump is making an audacious argument about the use of military force for cynical, political purposes while offering no evidence to back it up.

Trump’s brazen claim about Obama using Mosul to help Hillary Clinton makes no sense - The Washington Post

Let's see, Washington Post???? Okkkk, why not quote from Huffington Post? Both are well balanced.........NOT!

Trump made a statement. I gave the idea a thought well before he suggested it. Liberals are in denial and need a liberal news source to back them up. Who would have figured?

Originally Posted by Guest

Let's see, Washington Post???? Okkkk, why not quote from Huffington Post? Both are well balanced.........NOT!

Trump made a statement. I gave the idea a thought well before he suggested it. Liberals are in denial and need a liberal news source to back them up. Who would have figured?

Quite an accusation.....we send troops into harms way to help a candidate win an election.

And to make that publicaly with ZERO to be said to back it up is simply IRRESPONSIBLE and reckless.

If you accept that I am betting you are a daily reader of the Breitbart site

Originally Posted by Guest

Let's see, Washington Post???? Okkkk, why not quote from Huffington Post? Both are well balanced.........NOT!

Trump made a statement. I gave the idea a thought well before he suggested it. Liberals are in denial and need a liberal news source to back them up. Who would have figured?

I am curious what news site you use to get information ????

Serious question

Originally Posted by Guest

Quite an accusation.....we send troops into harms way to help a candidate win an election.

And to make that publicaly with ZERO to be said to back it up is simply IRRESPONSIBLE and reckless.

If you accept that I am betting you are a daily reader of the Breitbart site

Never been to the Breitbart site. I probably should, but it seems a bit radical to me, from what I have heard of it. I may be wrong. I have perused the Huffington site before, mostly by accident, or linked to it. Didn't care for it.

Originally Posted by Guest

Never been to the Breitbart site. I probably should, but it seems a bit radical to me, from what I have heard of it. I may be wrong. I have perused the Huffington site before, mostly by accident, or linked to it. Didn't care for it.

I simply commented that your accusation, or support of one, accusing our country of fighting terrorists simply to aid one candidacy was alarming.

I also simply asked what website you use for news because it is, or was front page on Breitbart. If I offended you I am sorry, but was startled that any thinking American could support that accusation.

Originally Posted by Guest

I am curious what news site you use to get information ????

Serious question

In the morning, I start out with ABC, NBC, CW and CBS. After all that, I usually go to FOX for a while, sometimes Headline News and sometimes CNN. On the Internet, I get mostly liberal news feeds. By email, I get Newsmax, Rasmussen, the other Villages source that they censured on here, Guns and Ammo, Cheaper than Dirt, Conservative Daily and the Independent Journal Review. I get a lot of other junk email that also keeps me up to date with a lot of political garbage. Probably, a hundred times more than liberals bother to consider, because it is obvious that their level of being informed is not overly generous.

A little side note: When I was in Baghdad, I usually streamed live CNN so I could watch outside Sadaam's palace as we got shelled almost daily. That was back in 2003. It was nice having a different perspective on our situation. Sorry, I digressed.

Originally Posted by Guest

I simply commented that your accusation, or support of one, accusing our country of fighting terrorists simply to aid one candidacy was alarming.

I also simply asked what website you use for news because it is, or was front page on Breitbart. If I offended you I am sorry, but was startled that any thinking American could support that accusation.

Not offended at all. Political discussions get heated. I take that for granted and do not take it personal.

Believe me when I say that I do not put anything past a politician, including pushing war if it helps the furtherance of their party. I have been around the gov, military and intelligence communities enough to know that some devious stuff goes on. I am sure you have heard of how those above do body counts. And I am sure you have heard how the pentagon pads their White House briefings. It really does go on, and I have seen it. So, I would not put it past a convenient military push to make this administration look better to the gov. After all, Hillary and Obama were involved in illegal arms sales that eventually went to ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood. And that was against the UN arms sales ban.

Originally Posted by Guest

Not offended at all. Political discussions get heated. I take that for granted and do not take it personal.

Believe me when I say that I do not put anything past a politician, including pushing war if it helps the furtherance of their party. I have been around the gov, military and intelligence communities enough to know that some devious stuff goes on. I am sure you have heard of how those above do body counts. And I am sure you have heard how the pentagon pads their White House briefings. It really does go on, and I have seen it. So, I would not put it past a convenient military push to make this administration look better to the gov. After all, Hillary and Obama were involved in illegal arms sales that eventually went to ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood. And that was against the UN arms sales ban.

Only thing I can say is WOW....You actually believe this stuff and how we coerced all these countries to join us in planning fighting terrorism a year ago, before we even knew candidates to insure votes and then have one make that charge about his OWN country with absolutely no credence given.

Then in the same remarks tell the world how we are losing less than one hour after our allies were announcing taking back villages and freeing christians.

Just the type of character we need in the WH.

Whose side is he on ??

well they endorsed him strongly, ISIS did so no surprise


"Donald Trump, who’s never met a conspiracy theory he didn’t like, suggested in Wednesday night’s presidential debate that the US-backed Iraqi military offensive to take back the city of Mosul from ISIS, which officially launched on Monday, was strategically timed by President Barack Obama to help Hillary Clinton win the presidential election.

"The only reason they did it is because she's running for office of president and they want to look tough," Trump said. "They want to look good. He violated the red line in the sand, and he made so many mistakes. He made all mistakes. That's why we have the great migration, but she wanted to look good for the election."

ISIS apparently agrees with Trump — or at least agrees that this a useful conspiracy theory to promote. Charlie Winter, a senior researcher at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence reports that the groups claims in a new editorial in its weekly Arabic-language newspaper, Naba, that the Mosul operation was “prompted by ‘necessities of presidential election in US’ and ‘economic problems’ faced by [the governments in] Baghdad/Erbil [the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan].”

Indeed, even the slightest suggestion that the US might be trying to call the shots on when to launch operations has caused major friction between the Americans and Iraqis. As my colleague Yochi Dreazen and I have previously written, an unnamed officer from US Central Command, which oversees the war against ISIS, told reporters back in February 2015 that the offensive to retake Mosul would begin that April or May and include up to 25,000 Iraqi and Kurdish security forces.

When Iraqi officials found out, they were livid. Iraqi Defense Minister Khaled al-Obeidi said at the time that Baghdad, not Washington, would decide when the assault began. "A military official should not reveal the timing of the offensive," Obeidi said.

Donald Trump and ISIS are pushing the same weird conspiracy theory - Vox