Originally Posted by rubicon

Totally combined the above-stated eight Republicans could not do as much damage to this country as Obma has in the last 3 1/2 years. The Commander InChief lauded for his handling of bin Laden stopped the military from blowing up the drone that went down in Iran. Now Iran is decoding our stealth/drone technology...and by the way bin laden was better alive than dead from an intelligence prospective. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

I have to wonder with you, just what the hell was that about.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Just a friendly suggestion. Please read something other that what is supplied to you from the left. Sometimes when you make these comments so out of context, it so clear. Do you read about your hero and how he has changed JUST IN THE LAST TWO YEARS....would you like examples.

People change opinions....they all do...what you are saying is right out of a textbook media blitz (I used to do that stuff). If you change your stand on something straight forward, that is fine.....it is when you lie about your stance obviously that is bad and there is a huge difference.

This election will be won or lost on the debates in my opinion. Or some "event" happening between now and November. It WILL NOT be won with stuff like this. UNLESS there is more attention to the hate ads that I expect.

I did this stuff (for the Democrats by the way for a long time),,,it is easy for me to be able to spot what comes from where.

I surely am not correct always, but think in politics...50-60 % is a good rate. BUT you need to read both sides when you read politics or you walk right into things that you dont want to face and get embarrassed.

I have posted things on here an a few hours later found myself embarrassed...in most cases I will make a apology on here but you have to read both sides if you SERIOUSLY want to talk politics. If, as some on here do and want to do, all you want to do is flame then dont bother and I am sorry I typed so long.

If you dont mind me making my point. As you know, I oppose this President quite strongly, NOT because he is a democrat by the way....but to insure my fears and concerns were justifies, I read BOTH of his autobiographies, have spent hours combing as much as I can get available of the Chicago newspaper archives, and have read 1 1/2 of books dedicated to him by supporters. Those book were AFTER I made my decision but again,my point is read both sides.

Romney has changed his position but so has Obama and on some serious issues like fighting terrorism, trials of terrorist and the recent Panama treaty. Very open changes in opinions...it happens and it will not bring down Romney if that is your hope

Politicians change their positions on some issues, but what Romney has done is change his whole ideology. It would be like Bill Clinton and President Obama deciding one day that they are conservatives, or George W Bush coming out as a flaming liberal.

Originally Posted by rubicon

Totally combined the above-stated eight Republicans could not do as much damage to this country as Obma has in the last 3 1/2 years. The Commander InChief lauded for his handling of bin Laden stopped the military from blowing up the drone that went down in Iran. Now Iran is decoding our stealth/drone technology...and by the way bin laden was better alive than dead from an intelligence prospective. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Sorry, but that is just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by janmcn

Politicians change their positions on some issues, but what Romney has done is change his whole ideology. It would be like Bill Clinton and President Obama deciding one day that they are conservatives, or George W Bush coming out as a flaming liberal.

That is your opinion WITH ABSOLUTE NO CREDIBILITY but sure we will be hearing more about that, the dogs, the wife etc. But that is fine...I was just trying to put it into perspective.

I assume that YOU, not a democratic operative have researched the archives in Mass, etc and done your due diligence on the subject, and if that is how you feel after all that...fine. BUT if you took the word of someone like Maddow, you are usurping your brain and allowing yourself to be led

Promise not to mention it again

Originally Posted by Bucco

That is your opinion WITH ABSOLUTE NO CREDIBILITY but sure we will be hearing more about that, the dogs, the wife etc. But that is fine...I was just trying to put it into perspective.

I assume that YOU, not a democratic operative have researched the archives in Mass, etc and done your due diligence on the subject, and if that is how you feel after all that...fine. BUT if you took the word of someone like Maddow, you are usurping your brain and allowing yourself to be led

Promise not to mention it again

Maddow and Ed. That gives credibility, toss in some Rev and they are totally informed.

For JANMCN.....Just an example of what our conversation was about earlier.

This from Oct of 2011.......ad special attention to the 2nd sentence.


"the Barack Obama of 2011 and the Barack Obama of 2008 don't always see eye to eye.

Typically the presidential vision has overruled the candidate's. (Extending the Bush tax cuts, supporting indefinite detention without trial and engaging in open-ended war in Afghanistan are a few examples.)

But in the case of the complete withdrawal of American troops from Iraq by the end of this year, candidate Obama prevailed over the president.

President Obama wanted to stay longer -- as recently as a few weeks ago asking the Iraqi government to allow 10,000, then 3,000 troops to remain past New Year's Eve.

But the president ultimately had no choice but to stick to candidate Obama's plan -- thanks, of all things, to an agreement signed by George W. Bush."

Ending The War In Iraq: How Obama's Own Rhetoric -- And George Bush's Pact -- Boxed In The President