Originally Posted by Bucco

You really need to work on your listening skills ~ You missed the part about NATURAL RESOURCES !!!

Try this one out for her pipline deal

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fac..._pipeline.html

Originally Posted by GMONEY

Try this one out for her pipline deal

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fac..._pipeline.html

WHOA..WHOA...you made an accusation concerning the sharing of wealth and were called on it and you are not responding....you just keep throwing stuff out there...there is a name for that !

How about you respond to your first accusation on this thread where you tried to imply, weakly, that somehow in Alaska there is some kind of socialism or redistribution of wealth as Sen Obama has publicly called for in his Global Poverty act !

How about it ???????

Originally Posted by Bucco

WHOA..WHOA...you made an accusation concerning the sharing of wealth and were called on it and you are not responding....you just keep throwing stuff out there...there is a name for that !

How about you respond to your first accusation on this thread where you tried to imply, weakly, that somehow in Alaska there is some kind of socialism or redistribution of wealth as Sen Obama has publicly called for in his Global Poverty act !

How about it ???????

Simply stated Collectively owned is a socialist term. means what it implies. Seems alot of people think the same since it came up in the news. Must be nice to know that everyone is wrong and your the only right one. that is why i posted the other day, you can sing till the cow comes home and will never be able to change ones opionion. Pipline article still stands,, Khalidi still stands, all of it still is there.

Global Poverty Act fact sheet
http://www.bread.org/take-action/ol2...fact-sheet.pdf

Originally Posted by Bucco

WHOA..WHOA...you made an accusation concerning the sharing of wealth and were called on it and you are not responding....you just keep throwing stuff out there...there is a name for that !

How about you respond to your first accusation on this thread where you tried to imply, weakly, that somehow in Alaska there is some kind of socialism or redistribution of wealth as Sen Obama has publicly called for in his Global Poverty act !

How about it ???????

alot of names on this deal,, funny how only Obama is ever mentioned??? Things that make you go HHHUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMM


The Global Poverty Act (H.R.1302) was introduced in the House of Representatives by Reps. Adam Smith (D-WA) and Spencer Bachus (R-AL) and collected 84 cosponsors before it was passed on September 25, 2007. A companion bill (S.2433) was introduced in the Senate by Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) on December 7, 2007. There are currently 16 cosponsors in the Senate, including Christopher Dodd [CT], Richard Durbin, Richard [IL], Russell Feingold [WI], Dianne Feinstein [CA], Tom Harkin [IA], Tim Johnson [SD], Richard Lugar [IN], Robert Menendez [NJ], Patty Murray [WA], Olympia Snowe [ME], Joe Biden, [DE], Gordon Smith [OR], John Kerry [MA]

The Global Poverty Act breaks new ground in three important ways:

http://www.undp.org/mdg/
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=s110-2433

For the first time achieving one of the Millennium Development Goals will be included in U.S. law.

Over 20 government agencies currently participate in development activities, sometimes at cross purposes. The Global Poverty Act would ensure the maximum benefit to those in greatest need by coordinating the efforts of each agency that administers aid.

13 of the world's major donors have reported on their progress towards meeting the Millennium Development Goals, while the U.S. has not. This legislation would require a regular report to Congress on U.S. progress towards meeting the first Millennium Development Goal.

Originally Posted by GMONEY

alot of names on this deal,, funny how only Obama is ever mentioned??? Things that make you go HHHUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMM


The Global Poverty Act (H.R.1302) was introduced in the House of Representatives by Reps. Adam Smith (D-WA) and Spencer Bachus (R-AL) and collected 84 cosponsors before it was passed on September 25, 2007. A companion bill (S.2433) was introduced in the Senate by Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) on December 7, 2007. There are currently 16 cosponsors in the Senate, including Christopher Dodd [CT], Richard Durbin, Richard [IL], Russell Feingold [WI], Dianne Feinstein [CA], Tom Harkin [IA], Tim Johnson [SD], Richard Lugar [IN], Robert Menendez [NJ], Patty Murray [WA], Olympia Snowe [ME], Joe Biden, [DE], Gordon Smith [OR], John Kerry [MA]

The Global Poverty Act breaks new ground in three important ways:

http://www.undp.org/mdg/
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=s110-2433

For the first time achieving one of the Millennium Development Goals will be included in U.S. law.

Over 20 government agencies currently participate in development activities, sometimes at cross purposes. The Global Poverty Act would ensure the maximum benefit to those in greatest need by coordinating the efforts of each agency that administers aid.

13 of the world's major donors have reported on their progress towards meeting the Millennium Development Goals, while the U.S. has not. This legislation would require a regular report to Congress on U.S. progress towards meeting the first Millennium Development Goal.

"Your Taxes and the Obama Tax Cuts" is how this thread started and received little direct response to the article quoted. We do like to divert onto different tangents in the political posts.don't we? Me included!

I have a question.... Obama seems to be ahead in most polls. There are many of us who find his position frightening and at odds with capitalistic free market principles BUT, the polls suggest that the majority of voters do not have these fears. Here's my question: Are there historical precedents for a country of people to embrace socialistic principles thinking that their future will improve and be better only to learn, in time, this is not the case. Historians, step foreward and educate us.

dgu, Bucco, Sally Jo, dklassen, - at last, a little voice of reason in The Villages. What do you think they will do to us if Obama stumbles into the White House? Back into uniform, I guess.

rshoffer: I wish I had seen your comment before I posted mine. Be afraid, be very afraid...... I will add your name to those of us showing some common sense.

First, I should tell you that my opinion is that both candidates are smoking funny cigarettes if they think a tax cut of any kind makes sense. That kind of proposal is like the family with so many credit cards that they can't get any more having the husband tell his wife, "...go ahead honey, quit your job, we can get along without that income".

But back to your post. You said, "...there is no free lunch. Obama's middle-class tax relief would have to be paid for, either now or later. Middle-class tax cuts might make sense if they were paid for by spending cuts, but that is not Obama's plan. Like his opponent, Obama points to vague savings..."

Several non-partisan "fact-checking" websites have projectged that the economic plans presented by the Obama campaign would increase the national debt by $3.5 trillion dollars by the end of the first term. However, those same analysts estimate that McCain's economic plans would add $5 trillion to our debt in four years.

Personally, I think all this is moot because the countries in the world who buy our debt (mainly China, Japan and to a lesser extent the EU) have neither the capacity nor interest in continuing to fund U.S. deficit spending by continuing to buy our Treasury bonds and bills. I don't place much emphasis at all on the tax cut plans by either candidate because it's impossible for either plan to happen! If anything will be necessary, it will be massive cuts in federal spending and maybe even a tax increase.The U.S. simply has very little additional borrowing capacity and a very sick economy. Much of this campiagn posturing by both candidates is nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

Originally Posted by GMONEY

alot of names on this deal,, funny how only Obama is ever mentioned??? Things that make you go HHHUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMM


The Global Poverty Act (H.R.1302) was introduced in the House of Representatives by Reps. Adam Smith (D-WA) and Spencer Bachus (R-AL) and collected 84 cosponsors before it was passed on September 25, 2007. A companion bill (S.2433) was introduced in the Senate by Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) on December 7, 2007. There are currently 16 cosponsors in the Senate, including Christopher Dodd [CT], Richard Durbin, Richard [IL], Russell Feingold [WI], Dianne Feinstein [CA], Tom Harkin [IA], Tim Johnson [SD], Richard Lugar [IN], Robert Menendez [NJ], Patty Murray [WA], Olympia Snowe [ME], Joe Biden, [DE], Gordon Smith [OR], John Kerry [MA]


The Global Poverty Act breaks new ground in three important ways:

http://www.undp.org/mdg/
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=s110-2433

For the first time achieving one of the Millennium Development Goals will be included in U.S. law.

Over 20 government agencies currently participate in development activities, sometimes at cross purposes. The Global Poverty Act would ensure the maximum benefit to those in greatest need by coordinating the efforts of each agency that administers aid.

13 of the world's major donors have reported on their progress towards meeting the Millennium Development Goals, while the U.S. has not. This legislation would require a regular report to Congress on U.S. progress towards meeting the first Millennium Development Goal.

You have sort of side stepped the actual thread but just for a minute...

1. You asked why you hear Sen Obama's name.....lets see, maybe because he is running for President...you think ?

2. This from SEN Obama's website...

"With billions of people living on just dollars a day around the world, global poverty remains one of the greatest challenges and tragedies the international community faces," said Senator Obama. "It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty and ensuring every child has food, shelter, and clean drinking water. As we strive to rebuild America's standing in the world, this important bill will demonstrate our promise and commitment to those in the developing world. Our commitment to the global economy must extend beyond trade agreements that are more about increasing corporate profits than about helping workers and small farmers everywhere." (emphasis added)"

This means send money overseas !!!!!!!!!!!!

I will find and post his quote on this a few years ago..one of those "redistribute the worlds resources"

Originally Posted by Cliff

dgu, Bucco, Sally Jo, dklassen, - at last, a little voice of reason in The Villages. What do you think they will do to us if Obama stumbles into the White House? Back into uniform, I guess.

I suppose I will be accused of some kind of looney behavior when I post my response Cliff, but here goes....

No..no uniform....however, his plans seem to play entirely into the hands of all those who hate us...ie., dont use or even threaten to use our advantage of military power....negotiate. Now I am not against negotiation, but you have to negotiate from strength. I am not sure what Sen Obama will do with our military....he said before the Iowa caucas he would dismantle much of our missle system, reducde military spending etc. NOW, he says he will build a 21st century military so who knows !

In any case, if he actually negotiates with terrorists or terrorist states...we lose immediately NO MATTER THE RESULT OF THOSE NEGOTIATIONS.

Again, he says different things depending on his audience but if he in fact dismantles much of our military and dramatically cuts spending we will become very vulnerable to a lot of things that are nasty in this world. There are those who have said they will destroy us starting from within and then......well, depending on his mood I suspect we might be on THEIR GAME PLAN and not ours !

What's going on here? Kahuna sez we can't afford either candidate's programs. I wonder how THAT will play in Peoria for those expecting some kind of "Change"?

(VK is right though. Lock and load and get ready for a hot summer)

Per Bucco - Great post GNU....in my opinion as well as many economists his plans will destroy our economy.

(HuH???? aren't we in the clunker now????)
Why don't we let the majority speak by their vote. 3 hour lines in Orlando in early voting.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

First, I should tell you that my opinion is that both candidates are smoking funny cigarettes if they think a tax cut of any kind makes sense. That kind of proposal is like the family with so many credit cards that they can't get any more having the husband tell his wife, "...go ahead honey, quit your job, we can get along without that income".

But back to your post. You said, "...there is no free lunch. Obama's middle-class tax relief would have to be paid for, either now or later. Middle-class tax cuts might make sense if they were paid for by spending cuts, but that is not Obama's plan. Like his opponent, Obama points to vague savings..."

Several non-partisan "fact-checking" websites have projectged that the economic plans presented by the Obama campaign would increase the national debt by $3.5 trillion dollars by the end of the first term. However, those same analysts estimate that McCain's economic plans would add $5 trillion to our debt in four years.

Personally, I think all this is moot because the countries in the world who buy our debt (mainly China, Japan and to a lesser extent the EU) have neither the capacity nor interest in continuing to fund U.S. deficit spending by continuing to buy our Treasury bonds and bills. I don't place much emphasis at all on the tax cut plans by either candidate because it's impossible for either plan to happen! If anything will be necessary, it will be massive cuts in federal spending and maybe even a tax increase.The U.S. simply has very little additional borrowing capacity and a very sick economy. Much of this campiagn posturing by both candidates is nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

Nice response Kahuna. How about this. Keep taxes as is, reduce spending with zero based budgeting and eliminating unneeded government programs? I think, but will have to look again, that we still have the Rural Electrification Program on the books. Who doesn't have electric in this country?

There is one thing that grows the economy and that's people having more money to spend on goods and more money to invest in their businesses. That comes in the form of TRUE tax cuts. It's worked every time it's tried and history has proven that over and over.

Economies don't tax themselves back into prosperity. I don't understand why more people don't understand that.