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Old 07-10-2023, 12:08 PM
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The last thing they want is for you to think for yourself. After all we have gone through it is amazing some blindly follow what the government doctors/scientists say. They wouldn't lie to us.?
Fauci did knowingly mislead the public. Instead of telling us, honestly, that we didn't have enough initial PPE to protect both medical workers and the masses and that those not in healthcare settings should only use the sort of homemade cloth face masks that successfully protected many of us as the pandemic went on, Fauci simply lied to us, assuming that his overnight 180 wouldn't erode public trust in his credibility.
The government treated the people like children. It seems a portion of the population is ok with that.
I may have survived Covid by not having the proper protection by improvising and being cautious till a vaccine was made available. Yes I was a sucker for the vaccine regiment several of my family and friends were not.
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Old 07-10-2023, 12:12 PM
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My wife and I visited Alaska and twice visited the Mendenhall Glacier. In the ten years between visits the glacier receded over 1 mile. In fact the visitors center in located in that newfound space.
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Old 07-10-2023, 12:23 PM
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Correct, Laccaria sp. are mushrooms. They generally receive their nutrients from compounds that leech out of tree roots. In turn, they donate the same to the area around them, called the carposphere, where microorganisms thrive as a result.

I had no idea you were so interested in the microbiology of complex ecosystems, but now you have the short explanation. Meanwhile, my posts were about normal peer review on normal scientific papers as opposed to a subject that is highly politicized and worth trillions to SOME people.
Do not give me to much credit I had heard the term but had to look it up to refresh myself. In my previous life I worked for the Bell System during deregulation (1983) I had been involved with consumer products for DIY, phones, answering machines, telephone jacks although simple, instructions had to be dumbed down to eighth grade reading levels. In other words I don’t use compound or unusual words usually.
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Old 07-10-2023, 12:26 PM
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.................and all my Dahlias survive in the ground during winter these days.
30+ years ago, I would have lost the lot leaving them in.


So there!
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Old 07-10-2023, 12:36 PM
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I think that might qualify as gulping down a double dose of Kool-Aid. Fortunately, most of that post is untrue

BTW, It's not the scientific community that is conspiring----It is the "powers that be", the ones that will profit from this nonsense. The scientists are merely their pawns, with a gun to their head, trying to survive professionally and financially since to state the truth results in suicide. And of course, the media is all too happy to aid them in pushing this false narrative.
I bet you think there was a shooter on the Grassy Knoll to huh?
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Old 07-10-2023, 12:45 PM
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I bet you think there was a shooter on the Grassy Knoll to huh?
Not sure, I wasn't there. All I can say about that is that among people interviewed at the time and since, more people, including WWII combat veterans heard shots from the grassy knoll than from the book depository. But the really interesting part is that no one, NOT ONE of those witnesses were called to testify by the Warren Commission. Only those that heard shots from the 6th floor testified. Coincidence??? Oversight???? I don't know, I was 5 years old at the time

PS: your implication that I am some kind of conspiracy theorist nut job did not go unnoticed.
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Old 07-10-2023, 12:47 PM
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Awhile back while living in Northern Minnesota I woke up one morning to reports just north of us that the mercury had plummeted to -60. A record low. Not windchill, actual temp. Wind chills were below -100. I recall going for a walk that morning just to say I walked a mile in -100 winchill and record low temperature. I could.

What is (also) newsworthy about that particular morning is that in a town north of us, maybe 60 miles or so, the bitter cold necessitated that some kind of annual "global warming" conference had to be cancelled.

One has to appreciate the irony of it all...
O...M...G!!! The place is called Tower MN...the "awhile back" you refer to was Feb 3, 1996....or almost 30 years ago. -60° below zero was the all-time low temperature ever set in the state of Minnesota on that date. And if you were going to quote statistics it has never even come close to that cold temp since.
And no.... in a town of 350 people in the dead of winter or any other time is or was there a "global warming conference" scheduled unless they were going to hold it a Bob's Amaco. I know....I was there at my lake home on Feb 3, 1996...and live there now.... (I think you just got exposed on the WWW)
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What makes me question the fear mongering over climate is that theres no corresponding angst over nuclear weapons that will give you a bad hair day in 15 minutes (sub launched). Is it because there's no money in it for the proselytizers ?
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The last thing they want is for you to think for yourself. After all we have gone through it is amazing some blindly follow what the government doctors/scientists say. They wouldn't lie to us.?
Fauci did knowingly mislead the public. Instead of telling us, honestly, that we didn't have enough initial PPE to protect both medical workers and the masses and that those not in healthcare settings should only use the sort of homemade cloth face masks that successfully protected many of us as the pandemic went on, Fauci simply lied to us, assuming that his overnight 180 wouldn't erode public trust in his credibility.
The government treated the people like children. It seems a portion of the population is ok with that.
Actually, we did have enough. We had more than enough, and the manufacturers would've had no problem keeping up with demand. EXCEPT - hoarders gonna hoard. People were grabbing dozens of boxes off the shelves before the stores could say "only two boxes per customer." I worked at Publix when the mask stuff started, and I watched these people emptying out our store of masks, gloves, rubbing alcohol, aloe vera, chlorox, toilet paper, paper towels, hand sanitizer, ammonia, and every variety of Lysol product that we sold.

Then you could go on e-bay and Amazon and find out that individuals who'd hoarded it all, were reselling it for a premium. $100 for a box of nitrile gloves that sold for less than $12 in the pharmacy section of the supermarket.

But yeah - we had enough. We also had greedy people that Fauci hadn't counted on. He should have expected that human beings would be insensitive, uncaring, greedy animals whenever there's a crisis.
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What makes me question the fear mongering over climate is that theres no corresponding angst over nuclear weapons that will give you a bad hair day in 15 minutes (sub launched). Is it because there's no money in it for the proselytizers ?
It's because individual people have no control over what the powers with the nuclear technology do or don't do. We DO have control over our own use of water, how much we waste, whether or not we compost, how much packaging we buy compared to how much food we grow ourselves. We have control over our own behavior.

Nuclear weapons terrify me. But I, as an individual, can't do ANYTHING about it. I -can- re-use my plastic bags, and support local agriculture whenever practical, walk or ride my bike instead of taking my car everywhere, etc. It's not much, for one person to do. But if everyone did even that little bit, it'd make a pretty big impact, overall.
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not sure, i wasn't there. All i can say about that is that among people interviewed at the time and since, more people, including wwii combat veterans heard shots from the grassy knoll than from the book depository. But the really interesting part is that no one, not one of those witnesses were called to testify by the warren commission. Only those that heard shots from the 6th floor testified. Coincidence??? Oversight???? I don't know, i was 5 years old at the time

ps: Your implication that i am some kind of conspiracy theorist nut job did not go unnoticed.
draw your own conclusion
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draw your own conclusion
My favorite is the list of winners and losers in the aftermath of the assassination.

Losers:-----easy--- 173 people with some connection to the event dead, most from suspicious accidents or a violent "crime". A Cambridge Univ. mathematician used the available data of the victims' age, occupation and location to calculate the odds of this being a coincidence at 1 in 10 to the 34th power, or approx. the same odds as winning lotto on a single quick pick ticket 8 times in a row.

Winners:

Arlen Spector---author of the "magic bullet" theory---later US senator
Gerald Ford---member Warren Commision---later US president
Leon Jaworski--also on the commission--later famous as Watergate prosecutor
And my favorite, a young Dallas reporter who was one of the few to see the Zapruder film before it got locked away. Although we now know that film clearly shows Kennedy's head going back and to the left with the back of his head getting blown back onto the trunk of the limo, he reported that his head went forward as it would with a kill shot from the book depository. That winner----Dan Rather.

IF, I repeat IF there was a conspiracy, it would appears playing ball served people better than being on the "loser" list.
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Old 07-11-2023, 10:06 AM
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I wish these seminars were on youtube
The Weather Club can schedule these (and other) talks at other clubs and groups.

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Pictures don't lie...Please explain why there is picture after picture of widespread glacial melt? Sounding..... dude I think it's time you get a new thermometer!!!
There are over 100 glaciers that are growing. They are listed at Weather Club meetings.
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