[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Yes, the Navy, another government agency, has been many times wrong about climate forecasts. Just look who pays them. The Navy "experts" told Al Gore that the Arctic sea ice would be gone by 2013, among other myths. Let me know when 2013 arrives.

When running out of logic just invoke Al Gore's name. Also the way I understand it is that Arctic ice IS effectively gone today. So, that would make Al Gore's prediction correct.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

As dire as your situation is, please advise all the level headed thinking population what you are doing to fix this HUGE problem, ahem. Do you walk every where since even electric vehicles cause waste and require earth minerals, lithium, cobalt, manganese, nickel and graphite. Do you eat only unheated food you dig or retrieve from the earth? Are you single with no children to help control the population? Please share the sacrifices you make daily to reduce your carbon footprint. I’m always impressed with people who use no earthly resources and manage to survive and then tell us it’s too late to save the earth.

Personally, the sacrifices that I make are to have to read the comments of Global Warming Science deniers.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Personally, the sacrifices that I make are to have to read the comments of Global Warming Science deniers.

Just as I thought.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And the Mississippi flooded in 2014, 2017 & 2019... What's your point?

One point IS I doubt that both of those rivers dried up excessively before the industrial revolution with massive fossil fuel consumption and before huge population increases. The world went from 1 trillion in 1800 to 8 trillion today.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

When running out of logic just invoke Al Gore's name.

That was a good movie An Inconvenient Truth but out-dated by now.

What 'An Inconvenient Truth' Got Right (And Wrong) About Climate Change | HowStuffWorks

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Wait.. I thought the glaciers melting were causing flooding and heavy rainfall everywhere. You have to keep your crisis straight.

Please....... that is the VERY DEFINITION of Climate Change - that some areas have drought because of higher earth temperatures and some areas have floods because the warm air holds more moisture. The climate has more EXTREMES because of overall warming. Right now in Wisconsin, they are having problems with heavy, wet snow at around freezing temperatures (above average), which are causing many trees to fall down on the roads.

When these EXTREMES are integrated together like with core samples or ocean level increases you find the pattern where the Earth began heating AFTER the Industrial Revolution and the corresponding population increase.

What I said about glaciers was that their melting was causing the oceans (salt water) to rise, Fresh water rivers in the US get their volume source from melting glaciers on the Rocky Mountains, which have been drying up out west in recent years. The same situation of dryness has caused increased forest fires in the West during recent years.

[Michael 61]

Why is Al Gore and his dire predictions back from the 90s no longer a part of this discussion?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

It takes away some of the lucky factor if one is paying it back, for which America is well known.

I assume that US people give a lot to overseas charities. I do not know where we rank with respect to other 1st world countries?

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I assume that US people give a lot to overseas charities. I do not know where we rank with respect to other 1st world countries?

We rank VERY high and you question that? Bye!

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Michael 61

Why is Al Gore and his dire predictions back from the 90s no longer a part of this discussion?

Bcause he got so much wrong while having a huge carbon footprint? Than again he was very busy inventing the internet so there is that.

Or to put it another way global warming theorists finally realized Gore had no idea what he was talking about and hypocritical in his life style

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would just take a LITTLE bit into consideration that WE are all LUCKY to have been born into the US. The US has great amounts of natural resources, probably the most navigable rivers in the world, a temperate climate, and oceans protesting it from wars to the east and west for many years. Also GREAT historic profit from FREE labor. I for one have some empathy for many 3rd world nations. And many are further weighed down by autocratic, despotic rulers. We are quite lucky!

Good thing none of them had a wealth of resources, navigable rivers or "free labor" (nice euphemism!) Yet they are still 3rd world hell holes...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

One point IS I doubt that both of those rivers dried up excessively before the industrial revolution with massive fossil fuel consumption and before huge population increases. The world went from 1 trillion in 1800 to 8 trillion today.

And you would be wrong...

The Mississippi River is low, but nowhere near its record | Environment | nola.com

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Please....... that is the VERY DEFINITION of Climate Change - that some areas have drought because of higher earth temperatures and some areas have floods because the warm air holds more moisture. The climate has more EXTREMES because of overall warming. Right now in Wisconsin, they are having problems with heavy, wet snow at around freezing temperatures (above average), which are causing many trees to fall down on the roads.

When these EXTREMES are integrated together like with core samples or ocean level increases you find the pattern where the Earth began heating AFTER the Industrial Revolution and the corresponding population increase.

What I said about glaciers was that their melting was causing the oceans (salt water) to rise, Fresh water rivers in the US get their volume source from melting glaciers on the Rocky Mountains, which have been drying up out west in recent years. The same situation of dryness has caused increased forest fires in the West during recent years.

No, lightning strikes are causing the forest fires. Just like they've done for thousands of years. It helps keep the forests healthy.

Here's an entire page of light reading you can do...

The Giant Sequoias NEED forest fires in order to reproduce. They NEED the intense heat, which causes their cones to release seeds...

The fires also add nutrients back into the soil...

forest fires release seeds - Google Search

[sounding]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And you would be wrong...

The Mississippi River is low, but nowhere near its record | Environment | nola.com

I'm impressed JM. Good job. In most cases of extreme or bad weather, history will show that things were much worse when the climate was colder (like when the river was lower) and when CO2 levels were much lower. It's "Cold" that produces more severe weather and it's "Cold" the produces bigger droughts, famine, diseases, etc. Plus cold kills many times more than warm. Cold is our enemy, and warm is our friend. I love global warming and I love CO2 ... and the more the better.

[Battlebasset]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Just as I thought.

Funny thing about climate change believers. They only believe that someone else should do something about, pay for it, or sacrifice for it.

Seems if it was the threat they say it is, you would see some changes in how they live their lives vs those of us that believe that while we should work to reduce pollution as the goal, vs spending trillions of dollars in an attempt to lower the temp of the planet by 1 degree.