[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bassdeer

Let's see, Plymouth Rock sits on the edge of the sea. Over 400 years and still above water.

Scientists are capable of measuring the world's oceans and in the last 10 years they have been rising rapidly. But remember that one inch of rise can doom some island peoples. People in Miami are aware that the oceans are rising. Hotels on Miami Beach have water rising problems.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

If overpopulation changes the environment, obviously, the only solution is a catastrophe that wipes out half of humanity, right? Waitaminit ... so the solution to surviving "Climate Change" is suicide?

Or here's another idea... we could use our brains to devise solutions.

Like we did when we quit burning coal because we discovered you could get the same energy from a 2' hole in the ground without all the soot -- and got plastics, chemistry, and modern world in the bargain. Or when we decided we didn't like choking on smog so we built cars that quit wasting half the gasoline we put into them, and invented the catalytic converter.

I lived in California when you could barely see across the street some days, and the desert valleys were perpetually full of gray smog. That's all gone now, even with twice the people. And even though we had droughts every year and 50mph Santa Ana winds 50 years ago, LA never burned to the ground. Maybe that's because 50 years ago they had twice the firemen per capita, and the city fathers weren't stupid enough to empty the reservoirs just in time for fire season.

The solution to the population problem is capitalism. When people get wealthy, they start thinking about other forms of entertainment and quit making kids. The only place in the world that has ever actually reduced its "carbon footprint" is AMERICA. We did it with natural gas, while we played around with toy windmills. Because we're rich.

The solution to climate change is technology. Just like when we threw another log on the fire to survive the last ice age, we will use technology to deal with whatever the climate throws at us this time, too, regardless of what caused it.

We just need to quit whining about how we wish things were and start dealing with how things actually are -- like grownups used to do.

The solution is what is happening naturally. People in the US and other 1st world countries are having fewer children. The US has a death rate greater than its birth rate. Same for other 1st world countries. In the US people can't make enough money to afford down payments on homes.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

We just need to quit whining about how we wish things were and start dealing with how things actually are -- like grownups used to do.

First order of business is agree there is a problem. Many refuse to do that.
Second, figure which technologies are needed and which are no longer needed. A little tougher since not all countries have the same level of technology available.
Third, dealing with different cultures and religions. This is tough for many reasons. Blind faith has no reason.

Not as easy as it might seem, with so many groups to satisfy, and so many who will need help, and so many power/control mad .... Best stop here and hope science will be able to show the powers that be that doing the right thing is undeniably in their own best interest.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

If overpopulation changes the environment, obviously, the only solution is a catastrophe that wipes out half of humanity, right? Waitaminit ... so the solution to surviving "Climate Change" is suicide?

Or here's another idea... we could use our brains to devise solutions.

Like we did when we quit burning coal because we discovered you could get the same energy from a 2' hole in the ground without all the soot -- and got plastics, chemistry, and modern world in the bargain. Or when we decided we didn't like choking on smog so we built cars that quit wasting half the gasoline we put into them, and invented the catalytic converter.

I lived in California when you could barely see across the street some days, and the desert valleys were perpetually full of gray smog. That's all gone now, even with twice the people. And even though we had droughts every year and 50mph Santa Ana winds 50 years ago, LA never burned to the ground. Maybe that's because 50 years ago they had twice the firemen per capita, and the city fathers weren't stupid enough to empty the reservoirs just in time for fire season.

The solution to the population problem is capitalism. When people get wealthy, they start thinking about other forms of entertainment and quit making kids. The only place in the world that has ever actually reduced its "carbon footprint" is AMERICA. We did it with natural gas, while we played around with toy windmills. Because we're rich.

The solution to climate change is technology. Just like when we threw another log on the fire to survive the last ice age, we will use technology to deal with whatever the climate throws at us this time, too, regardless of what caused it.

We just need to quit whining about how we wish things were and start dealing with how things actually are -- like grownups used to do.

You can't fix a problem unless you FIRST identify the problem. Pretending that there is no Global Warming will NOT make it go away. Next summers hurricanes will not just go away.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Not sure what the point is here. Because all my life I have gotten all the shots that were available in the Air Force or in civilian life. It is only recently that it has become popular to SUSPECT vaccines. And what I SUSPECT is that Russian bots have a lot to do with NOT WANTING Americans to be healthy while finding ways to divide them. When I went to public schools I knew that my classmates were not carrying deadly diseases into my classroom. Today kids do NOT HAVE that guarantee. Talk about devolution!

When a drug maker is immune to prosecution -- you know it's not safe.

[Bassdeer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Scientists are capable of measuring the world's oceans and in the last 10 years they have been rising rapidly. But remember that one inch of rise can doom some island peoples. People in Miami are aware that the oceans are rising. Hotels on Miami Beach have water rising problems.

Yea lets believe the science like we did with covid. You're an Idiot.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Arctic warming releases MASSIVE amounts of METHANE, a greenhouse gas which accelerated Global Warming. Polar bears and other mammals rely on ICE for hunting and protection - they are struggling to survive. The same is true for indigenous PEOPLE. past a certain point, climate recovery is nearly impossible.
........Permafrost is rapidly warming and drying out in Siberia and the Canadian Northwest Territory. Thawing permafrost can release stored carbon through the increased risk of fire. That will ADD to the CO2 in the upper atmosphere which reflects heat back to the Earth and our mid-latitudes.

Ok here we go again. SOS

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bassdeer

Yea lets believe the science like we did with covid. You're an Idiot.

Talking to a mirror?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimkerr

Remember when they told us to get our vaccines because of science? Yeah that turned out well.

I've had no problems. Wonder what you could be referring to. One person I knew very well did not get vaccinated, but he did get polio.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bassdeer

Let's see, Plymouth Rock sits on the edge of the sea. Over 400 years and still above water.

You know, of course you do, that Plymouth rock has been moved several times in the last few centuries. That photo and the dialog that is used by (dare I say "deniers) as proof the oceans aren't rising has been debunked long ago and many times. What, one wonders, are you playing at? And, do you think anyone will fall for the false implication? Well, maybe I can think of some who might fall for it.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Ok here we go again. SOS

Is that your breakfast request? S--t On (a) Shingle?
Actually, creamed chipped beef on toast sounds great! I'll make that for three Mrs and me tomorrow morning.

[Bassdeer]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You know, of course you do, that Plymouth rock has been moved several times in the last few centuries. That photo and the dialog that is used by (dare I say "deniers) as proof the oceans aren't rising has been debunked long ago and many times. What, one wonders, are you playing at? And, do you think anyone will fall for the false implication? Well, maybe I can think of some who might fall for it.

Did you pull a Wikipedia on me? Been in the same spot since 1920. I can see when we move there in 2026 we won't be hanging out together. Nice thing is there's a new sheriff in town today. Life is good.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Bassdeer

Did you pull a Wikipedia on me? Been in the same spot since 1920. I can see when we move there in 2026 we won't be hanging out together. Nice thing is there's a new sheriff in town today. Life is good.

Nice. Hope everyone is enjoying global warming -- and it's just getting started.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bassdeer

Did you pull a Wikipedia on me? Been in the same spot since 1920. I can see when we move there in 2026 we won't be hanging out together. Nice thing is there's a new sheriff in town today. Life is good.

1920. So the reference of 400 years was knowingly misleading? Why?
We won't be hanging out together for one reason. I'm staying here. Enjoy Plymouth.
And, yes, life is good. But it could always be better.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

1920. So the reference of 400 years was knowingly misleading? Why?
We won't be hanging out together for one reason. I'm staying here. Enjoy Plymouth.
And, yes, life is good. But it could always be better.

And thanks to global warming and increasing CO2 -- life is getting better.