[justjim]

As a “lay person” when it comes to weather and climate it’s best for me to leave it to the “experts” in that field. I only know for sure that it’s more complicated than I can discern. When 95% of scientists say one thing and 5% another, not having studied the subject, I go with the 95%. But to each his own.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by justjim

As a “lay person” when it comes to weather and climate it’s best for me to leave it to the “experts” in that field. I only know for sure that it’s more complicated than I can discern. When 95% of scientists say one thing and 5% another, not having studied the subject, I go with the 95%. But to each his own.

Once again, that 95% number has been debunked over and over ad nauseum.

Now, to get a handle on what the majority of these experts are saying, go back to a climate thread about 3 weeks ago. A TOTV member has a son who is a climatologist at a major university. He made the mistake of suggesting that global warming might not be due to human activity. From that point on he was professionally ruined--he couldn't get any grants, he was denied tenure and was unable to have any of his work published. This story has been repeated all over the world as powers that be stifle any opinion contrary to "chicken little, the man-made climate crisis is imminent and going to kill our grandchildren (unless we pony up $131 TRILLION to "combat" it).

So, while not 95%, it is a majority. But like most of, when a gun is held to our head, we will say what the person holding the gun wants us to say.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Yes! Absolutely look at that. But you have to look at it for 2 or 3 or 4000 years, not the last 20 or 50 or 100. Projections based on 20 years of data are WORTHLESS. (unless you are pushing a false narrative that will enrich a few)

The last 10 years are the important ones for man-made increasing global warming, which is the opinion of over 99% of climate scientists. The increasing world population and increasing use of CO2-releasing ICE vehicles have created a heat shield in the upper atmosphere that reflects heat back to the earth. It is especially bad in large cities around the world. Also, more forests like in Brazil are being plowed under for cattle to feed a fast-increasing global population.
This July was determined to be the world's hottest in recorded history. Living coral reefs are down to 10% of what they were 15 years ago (and decreasing). The world's glaciers are melting as proven by the RECORDED WORLDWIDE increase in ocean levels. Scientists know what is happening, but I guess the fossil fuel industry has spent enough money to somehow convince the AVERAGE US citizen that way back Al Gore was wrong.
The only problem, this summer and the next 8 to come are PROVING Al Gore to be correct.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Same dates last year
Aug 9 - 90 degrees
Aug 10 - 95 degrees
Aug 11 - 93 degrees
Aug 12 - 93 degrees
Aug 13 - 93 degrees

Proof positive climate is warming:
Same 5 days this year Vs last year are projected to be +8.6 degrees higher.
I could not find the same 5 days data from 200 years ago.

It is pretty obvious that Global Warming exists and is here to stay and increase for around 7 years. The only hope is General Motors expects 30% of its new car sales in 2027 to be fully electric. Another hopeful sign is the increased popularity of E-Bikes.
In the future, we will know when the Earth will start healing and temperatures will return to normal - several years after you stop hearing ICE lawnmowers and ICE golf carts cruising past your home. I wonder - can we live long enough.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

OK, so which is it? Our increased warming began 150 years ago with the industrial revolution, or 2,000 years ago????? You're contradicting yourself.
But don't worry, your nieces and their children won't have to deal with it, not unless they live to be 25,000 years old.
The 4 1/2 million year date is the beginning or our current ice age. There have been numerous ice ages prior to this. And during this time, there are 70-120,000 year cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws driven by the power of the sun, Earth's orbit and changes in Earth's axis, among other things. Currently we are 20,000 years into a warming cycle. None of it has anything to do with fossil fuels. This is why the 4 1/2 million years mark is relevant--it explains where our climate came from and why we are here today.
Are we accelerating the warming??? Maybe, but there isn't enough data nor any conclusive proof. Are the alarmists correct? Maybe, only time will tell. But that time frame is measured in millennia, not the lifetime of your grand-nieces.

150 years ago with the Industrial Revolution, there was not enough population on earth and not enough ICE vehicles to create an upper atmosphere reflecting layer of CO2. Whole forests were NOT being cut down for cattle to feed an overpopulated earth.
Today we have all those problems caused by excess heat on Earth. The excess heat is even causing psychological problems and increased crime and murders in the heat domes of big cities. The biggest problem is that the PROBLEM is and HAS been ignored for TOO long and now in the HEAT of this summer, it is biting us BAD !

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The last 10 years are the important ones for man-made increasing global warming, which is the opinion of over 99% of climate scientists. The increasing world population and increasing use of CO2-releasing ICE vehicles have created a heat shield in the upper atmosphere that reflects heat back to the earth. It is especially bad in large cities around the world. Also, more forests like in Brazil are being plowed under for cattle to feed a fast-increasing global population.
This July was determined to be the world's hottest in recorded history. Living coral reefs are down to 10% of what they were 15 years ago (and decreasing). The world's glaciers are melting as proven by the RECORDED WORLDWIDE increase in ocean levels. Scientists know what is happening, but I guess the fossil fuel industry has spent enough money to somehow convince the AVERAGE US citizen that way back Al Gore was wrong.
The only problem, this summer and the next 8 to come are PROVING Al Gore to be correct.

Actually, proving that person "correct" is a much bigger problem than you imagine. Since he claimed the polar ice caps would all be gone by the year 2010, and it is now 2023 and they are substantially unchanged, that ship has sailed.

As far as the rest of the nonsense in that post goes, just about every statement was wrong. I particularly like how the previous thoroughly debunked "95% of climatologists" has now grown to "over 99%" (well, at least in the vivid imagination of some)

Some glaciers are melting, some are growing, and CO2 is actually at a relative historically low level in the atmosphere. But here's the good news----if it wasn't for erroneous content, you post would have no content at all

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It is pretty obvious that Global Warming exists and is here to stay and increase for around 7 years. The only hope is General Motors expects 30% of its new car sales in 2027 to be fully electric. Another hopeful sign is the increased popularity of E-Bikes.
In the future, we will know when the Earth will start healing and temperatures will return to normal - several years after you stop hearing ICE lawnmowers and ICE golf carts cruising past your home. I wonder - can we live long enough.

More nonsense

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

150 years ago with the Industrial Revolution, there was not enough population on earth and not enough ICE vehicles to create an upper atmosphere reflecting layer of CO2. Whole forests were NOT being cut down for cattle to feed an overpopulated earth.
Today we have all those problems caused by excess heat on Earth. The excess heat is even causing psychological problems and increased crime and murders in the heat domes of big cities. The biggest problem is that the PROBLEM is and HAS been ignored for TOO long and now in the HEAT of this summer, it is biting us BAD !

Now that post is TOOOOOOOO Funny

It was pretty hot in the 1930's, remember the dust bowl, maybe even hotter than today, but the crime rate was much lower except for a few bank robbers. How about placing the blame for crime squarely where it belongs----bad/no parenting, no instilling a moral compass in children, and no respect for authority. Climate change????What a laugh.

[bcsnave]

I just plotted temps from 1895 - 2022....contrary to what everyone wants you to believe...we are not boiling

Plotted July temps 1895 to 2022
Plotted Avg Annual Temp 1895 - 2022

looking at the standard deviation it is not significant

Temperature - Florida Climate Center

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

Ditto. There is no climate change crisis -- just a climate education crisis.

Actually, there is both.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And……..?

Just thought you would like to know. Your welcome.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Yes! Absolutely look at that. But you have to look at it for 2 or 3 or 4000 years, not the last 20 or 50 or 100. Projections based on 20 years of data are WORTHLESS. (unless you are pushing a false narrative that will enrich a few)

Just discovered a small lump (tumor?) in my colon. Possible indication that something is wrong. So, do I jump on this and deal with it? Or do I follow your advice from above about another potentially life threatening situation and just " look at it for 2 or 3 or 4000 years?" Maybe if we just look the other way it will disappear.
Projections are just one of many tools. Gathering and studying information, real scientifically gathered information, studied by experts in the field, upgrading the projections as new information comes in. That is why the great majority of scientists agree that mankind has played a significant roll in exacerbating climate change.
Sorry. I truly wish it wasn't so, but on this you and others who claim the current climate change is "business as usual", are wrong.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Just discovered a small lump (tumor?) in my colon. Possible indication that something is wrong. So, do I jump on this and deal with it? Or do I follow your advice from above about another potentially life threatening situation and just " look at it for 2 or 3 or 4000 years?" Maybe if we just look the other way it will disappear.
Projections are just one of many tools. Gathering and studying information, real scientifically gathered information, studied by experts in the field, upgrading the projections as new information comes in. That is why the great majority of scientists agree that mankind has played a significant roll in exacerbating climate change.
Sorry. I truly wish it wasn't so, but on this you and others who claim the current climate change is "business as usual", are wrong.

Absolutely ridiculous analogy. Human life spans are 80+ years at best, might be as short as 6 months with a colonic neoplasm. It only takes a few days to gather the data needed
Our climate runs in 70-120,000 year cycles. Only data over thousands of years can be predictive of the future

Classic apples and oranges. So sorry that the climate change alarmists are WRONG

[sounding]

Originally Posted by justjim

As a “lay person” when it comes to weather and climate it’s best for me to leave it to the “experts” in that field. I only know for sure that it’s more complicated than I can discern. When 95% of scientists say one thing and 5% another, not having studied the subject, I go with the 95%. But to each his own.

That's a "I'm not smart enough to look at data" reply - where you forfeit your future to others - including scamsters. Scientists are way overrated - plus anyone with a desire to look for, and analyze data, can be a scientist. For example, Galileo was an inventor. So ... here is some data ... can you see out-of-control global warming?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by justjim

As a “lay person” when it comes to weather and climate it’s best for me to leave it to the “experts” in that field. I only know for sure that it’s more complicated than I can discern. When 95% of scientists say one thing and 5% another, not having studied the subject, I go with the 95%. But to each his own.

You got the right idea. There are always those few who will find someone to come to the medicine show and believe the spiel and buy the snake oil.