[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bwanajim

I Remember in HS Al Gore said there would be a coming Ice Age. Remember?
The hottest temperature in the US was recorded in 1913 in death Valley. I’m sure that was because of the internal combustion engine.🙄🙄😂
This whole climate agenda is about control. We could stop every bit of greenhouse gas, and it would accomplish nothing compared to what China and India is doing.
What scares me is so many people fall for this crap.

If we (the USA) could theoretically stop all greenhouse emissions, it would help the world a lot. maybe enough to save the coral reefs and decrease the heat reflection from the HEAT DOME of CO2 in the upper atmosphere. After all, we are the # 1 GNP country in the world with the most cars and trucks, not India and China.
I only hope for a 30% decrease in emissions from the US when (in about 4 years) new car sales of electric vehicles become 30% as predicted. Also, E-bike usage would increase. And in a more perfect world, the US government would encourage the purchase of Electric golf cars and buy back and dispose of ICE golf cars. A more perfect and quieter world.

[golfing eagles]

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Originally Posted by rustyp

"To question whether human activity has anything to do with it". Well, there is a simple answer to that - 99% of Climate Scientists say that human activity IS causing Global Warming. That is enough for me. There are also observable reasons to believe this. One obvious thing that is hard to avoid is that the absolute temperature right here today is close to 100 deg F. July was officially determined to be the world's hottest since records were 1st kept. Living coral are down to 10% in recent years - they are 90% dead and next year will be warmer, and the next for at least 7 more years and the ocean CO2 content and the upper atmosphere WILL continue to INCREASE.
And WHY you may ask has this happened? World population has doubled in recent years. More people equals more Internal Combustion engines in cars and industrial use. Therefore, more fossil fuel use, therefore more CO2 released. Trees and plants absorb CO2, but the greater world population requires more and more trees to be cut down. Think about the Amazon rainforest becoming more like a desert. All these changes have INCREASED more rapidly than even Climate Scientists were predicting. Now, rapid changes have happened in the last 10 years.

You can repeat that bogus 99% number over and over again until the cows come home, but it is still a lie

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jaj523

China is building new coal mines at record speeds (one a week I've read) and has been excused from the climate accords. Much of Africa and South America are following suit. Their combined land mass makes up a lot more mass than the United States. Some of the nutty things this country is doing in pursuit of saving the planet are meaningless. Without the entire world working together, all the money we are throwing at climate change is a waste.

The money SAVED by climate change investment would be be greater than just the increased A/C usage as the planet warms increasingly in the next 7 years. The heat domes over the US medium and large cities COSTS citizens large amounts of money. Heat increases crime. Heat increases mental problems. Heat causes workers to be less efficient and take more breaks. Heat increases physical and medical problems for citizens.
Every time a US citizen buys an E-vehicle, they are being patriotic and helping the US with what is becoming its biggest problem.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Once again, that 95% number has been debunked over and over ad nauseum.

Now, to get a handle on what the majority of these experts are saying, go back to a climate thread about 3 weeks ago. A TOTV member has a son who is a climatologist at a major university. He made the mistake of suggesting that global warming might not be due to human activity. From that point on he was professionally ruined--he couldn't get any grants, he was denied tenure and was unable to have any of his work published. This story has been repeated all over the world as powers that be stifle any opinion contrary to "chicken little, the man-made climate crisis is imminent and going to kill our grandchildren (unless we pony up $131 TRILLION to "combat" it).

So, while not 95%, it is a majority. But like most of, when a gun is held to our head, we will say what the person holding the gun wants us to say.

The story about the University Climatologist is an N of one statistically, even if true. The latest statistics that I have read said that over 99% of Climatologists agree with Global Warming. That is amazing and total agreement that man-made warming is a FACT.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The story about the University Climatologist is an N of one statistically, even if true. The latest statistics that I have read said that over 99% of Climatologists agree with Global Warming. That is amazing and total agreement that man-made warming is a FACT.

Do I have to start a count of how many times you repeat that 99% lie?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

More nonsense

It is not nonsense that GM expects that 30% of their new vehicle sales to be ELECTRIC. The rest of the post can be disagreed with, but is not nonsense.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Now that post is TOOOOOOOO Funny

It was pretty hot in the 1930's, remember the dust bowl, maybe even hotter than today, but the crime rate was much lower except for a few bank robbers. How about placing the blame for crime squarely where it belongs----bad/no parenting, no instilling a moral compass in children, and no respect for authority. Climate change????What a laugh.

The 1930's was a whole different world. What was the population of the US.......maybe 60 million people. What was the world population.........not enough to cause global warming. Most Americans were farmers and had no mental problems caused by heat and overcrowding in cities.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Do I have to start a count of how many times you repeat that 99% lie?

The 99% was simply the last that I read on the subject. How about if I have an assignment to read up on the subject to verify the %? And others can read about the horrendous bleaching of the coral reefs caused by the CO2 increase in the oceans. And others can research the CO2 increases in recent years in the upper atmosphere.
Incidentally, the HEAT related increased mental problems in the US is written about in today's NY Times.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If we (the USA) could theoretically stop all greenhouse emissions, it would help the world a lot. maybe enough to save the coral reefs and decrease the heat reflection from the HEAT DOME of CO2 in the upper atmosphere. After all, we are the # 1 GNP country in the world with the most cars and trucks, not India and China.
I only hope for a 30% decrease in emissions from the US when (in about 4 years) new car sales of electric vehicles become 30% as predicted. Also, E-bike usage would increase. And in a more perfect world, the US government would encourage the purchase of Electric golf cars and buy back and dispose of ICE golf cars. A more perfect and quieter world.

The coral reefs are at an all time high over the past 37 years -- thanks to increasing CO2 and global warming. They need CO2 to grow their protective reefs. Corals were much more diverse when the the climate was warmer with higher CO2 levels. Plus they love warm water -- which is why they live mostly along the equator.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Do I have to start a count of how many times you repeat that 99% lie?

It would be better if you cited a reputable review that disputed it.

But sure, 99% is probably not accurate. It could be 98.6% or 99.2% or 97.1% but it almost certainly is not exactly 99%. From a quick review of what google wanted to tell me tonight, I couldn't find anything in the last five years that found less than 97% and even results back to 2014 seemed to agree with >90%.

But you can show a different result?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by sounding

The coral reefs are at an all time high over the past 37 years -- thanks to increasing CO2 and global warming. They need CO2 to grow their protective reefs. Corals were much more diverse when the the climate was warmer with higher CO2 levels. Plus they love warm water -- which is why they live mostly along the equator.

Care to share the rest of the story? The part where the majority of the new coral is fast-growing coral that is particularly vulnerable to bleaching and other damage.

Yeah, we chopped all the old growth forest but look for yourself, with the pine and the grass the area is still green.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The last 10 years are the important ones for man-made increasing global warming, which is the opinion of over 99% of climate scientists. The increasing world population and increasing use of CO2-releasing ICE vehicles have created a heat shield in the upper atmosphere that reflects heat back to the earth. It is especially bad in large cities around the world. Also, more forests like in Brazil are being plowed under for cattle to feed a fast-increasing global population.
This July was determined to be the world's hottest in recorded history. Living coral reefs are down to 10% of what they were 15 years ago (and decreasing). The world's glaciers are melting as proven by the RECORDED WORLDWIDE increase in ocean levels. Scientists know what is happening, but I guess the fossil fuel industry has spent enough money to somehow convince the AVERAGE US citizen that way back Al Gore was wrong.
The only problem, this summer and the next 8 to come are PROVING Al Gore to be correct.

Where ya' been?

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Care to share the rest of the story? The part where the majority of the new coral is fast-growing coral that is particularly vulnerable to bleaching and other damage.

Yeah, we chopped all the old growth forest but look for yourself, with the pine and the grass the area is still green.

Here's he rest of the story. PS... bleaching is as normal as wardrobe changing. We change for seasons as corals corals do for many reasons. https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uplo...eid=2757d1864c

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Do I have to start a count of how many times you repeat that 99% lie?

Here's a Forbes article explaining why that (often claimed) # is incorrect...

Fact Checking The Claim Of 97% Consensus On Anthropogenic Climate Change

"This public discussion was started by Oreskes’ brief 2004 article, which included an analysis of 928 papers containing the keywords “global climate change.” The article says “none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position” of anthropogenic global warming. Although this article makes no claim to a specific number, it is routinely described as indicating 100% agreement and used as support for the 97% figure."

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It is not nonsense that GM expects that 30% of their new vehicle sales to be ELECTRIC. The rest of the post can be disagreed with, but is not nonsense.

No, they expect 30% of their LINE to be electric vehicles. They say nothing about sales #s...