[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Studied this Philosopher of Science in college. Worth a look if you have not read anything by him. Thomas Kuhn - Wikipedia

He has a lot of critics out there as well.

The Structure of Scientific Revolutions - Wikipedia

One of the people who taught one of these classes was a Physics professor specializing in the weather. It was taught by three professors-- one in Philosophy, one in History and one in Physics.

Thanks !

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Not ,evil". Lack of knowledge, education, understanding of the poisons and pollutants we unleashed upon the world. Not "evil". Just ignorant of the interdependence of all things. Like kids with new toys, no one told us of the harm our toys could do, so we went blindly on our way tearing down the land and polluting our rivers and oceans. Finally, one smart kid sees the smog, sees pollutants in the oceans and connects the dots. Other kids are to oblivious and can't connect the dots. Others are afraid that they are going to have to give up some of their favorite toys, so they balk at what the emerging picture shows. But, little by little, the picture becomes clear enough that all must acknowledge the big picture, whether they like it or not.

Great post !

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Sorry, NOT a good rebuttal. I quoted the article correctly - the earth's temperature increased by 2 degrees F since 1880. That is the rate that the NOAA Climatologist stated. There is nothing there about 2 degrees per year. Just a rate of 2 degrees F since 1880. That would be 2 divided by 142 which equals .014 degrees F per year.

nice try......feel free to try again!

You did not answer the question. How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Thank you. Some common sense on this thread for a change. And for what its worth, NASA says the earth is not cooling. Despite short-term ups and downs, the evidence shows that our planet is steadily accumulating heat. And what scientists have found is that the balance of energy in the Earth system is out of whack: Our lower atmosphere is warming, the ocean is accumulating more energy, land surfaces are absorbing energy, and Earth’s ice is melting. I believe in the scientists, not some Villages club that clearly has an agenda.

NASA has been engaged in data manipulation for many years -- a great way to continue space exploration ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D4jbChREKE

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by sounding

thanks for identifying how science becomes corrupted -- by voting. Voting is not used in the weather club -- only data -- and how data confirms or rejects theories. Voting is used in politics to create consensus, which of course is not how science works. As einstein said, "genius abhors consensus, because when consensus is reached, thinking stops."

so electing politicians who accept and advance your pov is " corrupted science'. Exactly who are you presenting your case to but us voters? IF YOU DON'T WANT VOTERS HELP TRY SKY WRITING

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

You did not answer the question. How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

You seem like you might already have an answer you like. Why not share? Why make a game of it?
Remember, only man-made CO2. It can be part of more complex combinations of gasses, consider the chemical interactions. Site your sources, turn in your notes and worksheets. No getting answers from other students.
🙈🙉🙊

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Worldseries27

so electing politicians who accept and advance your pov is " corrupted science'. Exactly who are you presenting your case to but us voters? IF YOU DON'T WANT VOTERS HELP TRY SKY WRITING

And here's a great example of "corrupted science" which we should worry about ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIu3OGOdN6c

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I calculated it to be 0.014 degrees F per year from the NOAA Climatologist.

Once again, I will give you information from the same website that you quote from:

Climate.gov--
"Over at least the past million years, glacial and interglacial cycles have been triggered by variations in how much sunlight reaches the Northern Hemisphere in the summer, which are driven by small variations in the geometry of Earth’s orbit around the Sun. But these fluctuations in sunlight aren’t enough on their own to bring about full-blown ice ages and interglacials. They trigger several feedback loops that amplify the original warming or cooling. During an interglacial,
sea ice and snow retreat, reducing the amount of sunlight the Earth reflects;
warming increases atmospheric water vapor, which is a powerful greenhouse gas;
permafrost thaws and decomposes, releasing more methane and carbon dioxide; and
the ocean warms and releases dissolved carbon dioxide, which traps even more heat.

These feedbacks amplify the initial warming until the Earth’s orbit goes through a phase during which the amount of Northern Hemisphere summer sunlight is minimized. Then these feedbacks operate in reverse, reinforcing the cooling trend."

So, has mankind increased the cycle of climate change, slowed it or made any difference whatsoever? I'd say anyone that supposes that mankind has changed the climate cycles is pretty arrogant to think that man has that much power. Did man cause the ice age or just the tropics? This is getting boring because the fact is that mankind has very little ability to change what is going to happen in this climatic change....if any at all. To be honest with you, I do not know or even care if NOAA is right or not. I have no plans to go back to transportation by horse, the telegraph versus telephone or even radio instead of TV. Man has produced comforts that has made him live a great lifestyle and other than air quality (which as gotten better since I was a child) I don't care. If you are worried about those living in the next century or millennium, I am sure they will be announcing that the "sky is falling" also. Actually, maybe an asteroid will strike the earth by then, anyway. Or maybe the moon and send the moon crashing into the earth, or maybe the great filament in the sun will finally burn out and no one will be around to worry about whether we should use paper or plastic bags when we shop.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You seem like you might already have an answer you like. Why not share? Why make a game of it?
Remember, only man-made CO2. It can be part of more complex combinations of gasses, consider the chemical interactions. Site your sources, turn in your notes and worksheets. No getting answers from other students.
🙈🙉🙊

Not a game. Many claim "man-made" CO2 is causing climate problems. In today's society, one is innocent until proven guilty. Therefore CO2 is innocent until proven guilty. I'm just looking for data supporting that claim -- I did not make that claim. Those making the claim must show sources, notes, worksheets, etc. Our climate is in great shape and getting better. All government data reflects that -- and I accept that data which shows severe weather and extreme weather events are decreasing.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I calculated it to be 0.014 degrees F per year from the NOAA Climatologist.

We have been warming ever since leaving the Little Ice Age -- at about the year 1800 -- and accordingly as the oceans warm also do they release CO2 ... and we are still thawing out from that Little Ice Age. So, how much of today's increasing CO2 is "man-made" versus thawing-made?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Sorry, NOT a good rebuttal. I quoted the article correctly - the earth's temperature increased by 2 degrees F since 1880. That is the rate that the NOAA Climatologist stated. There is nothing there about 2 degrees per year. Just a rate of 2 degrees F since 1880. That would be 2 divided by 142 which equals .014 degrees F per year.

nice try......feel free to try again!

Actually, wasn't "trying" anything (this time)
Just asking the time frame of the reported 2 degrees

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Once again, I will give you information from the same website that you quote from:

Climate.gov--
"Over at least the past million years, glacial and interglacial cycles have been triggered by variations in how much sunlight reaches the Northern Hemisphere in the summer, which are driven by small variations in the geometry of Earth’s orbit around the Sun. But these fluctuations in sunlight aren’t enough on their own to bring about full-blown ice ages and interglacials. They trigger several feedback loops that amplify the original warming or cooling. During an interglacial,
sea ice and snow retreat, reducing the amount of sunlight the Earth reflects;
warming increases atmospheric water vapor, which is a powerful greenhouse gas;
permafrost thaws and decomposes, releasing more methane and carbon dioxide; and
the ocean warms and releases dissolved carbon dioxide, which traps even more heat.

These feedbacks amplify the initial warming until the Earth’s orbit goes through a phase during which the amount of Northern Hemisphere summer sunlight is minimized. Then these feedbacks operate in reverse, reinforcing the cooling trend."

So, has mankind increased the cycle of climate change, slowed it or made any difference whatsoever? I'd say anyone that supposes that mankind has changed the climate cycles is pretty arrogant to think that man has that much power. Did man cause the ice age or just the tropics? This is getting boring because the fact is that mankind has very little ability to change what is going to happen in this climatic change....if any at all. To be honest with you, I do not know or even care if NOAA is right or not. I have no plans to go back to transportation by horse, the telegraph versus telephone or even radio instead of TV. Man has produced comforts that has made him live a great lifestyle and other than air quality (which as gotten better since I was a child) I don't care. If you are worried about those living in the next century or millennium, I am sure they will be announcing that the "sky is falling" also. Actually, maybe an asteroid will strike the earth by then, anyway. Or maybe the moon and send the moon crashing into the earth, or maybe the great filament in the sun will finally burn out and no one will be around to worry about whether we should use paper or plastic bags when we shop.

To steal a line from a truly indoctrinated anthropogenic climate change believer:

GREAT POST!!!!!

[defrey12]

Originally Posted by sounding

In 2019 Glacier National Park (GNP) quietly removed numerous posters claiming that all glaciers would be gone by 2020. They used our tax monies to create those fake signs (with great public attention) and then removed them -- quietly. And now something else has gone quiet. They would annually post a glacier report listing the status of each mapped glacier. They stopped producing those valuable reports 7 years ago. In essence, they are denying tax payers important glacier status information. For those who attend the Weather Club, you already know that surface and satellite temperature data have shown a slow cooling trend for the last 7 years -- the same years GNP has been silent. We should demand better value for tax monies.

Oh, so we actually have “global cooling”…thanks, Al, for getting everyone’s panties in a twist over nothing…

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

To steal a line from a truly indoctrinated anthropogenic climate change believer:

GREAT POST!!!!!

I'm so disappointed. Never thought you would steal. Borrow, alright. But not steal. Tsk, tsk!
And I thought the post was waaay to long when the point, hidden in all that verbosity was, "I don't care".
Disappointing Post, if you ask me (which you won't because I am one of those "truly indoctrinated anthropogenic climate change believer"s).
😎

[sounding]

Originally Posted by defrey12

Oh, so we actually have “global cooling”…thanks, Al, for getting everyone’s panties in a twist over nothing…

And just wait till the chilling 2022 data is compiled. It supports the fact that hurricanes have dramatically decreased the past 2 years -- and yet the UN's IPCC temperature forecasts keep claiming soaring forecasts. I wonder if the GNP glaciers validate those forecasts?