[sounding]

Originally Posted by HORNET

Cat 1, HUH ! What about those being flooded, homes destroyed, having to rebuild ! HUH ! Again . And you posted that it was only a Cat 1.

You don't need a hurricane to create flooding. Come to the Weather Club for examples -- or look it up.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

I, for one, am happy for the last 13,000 years of global warming. Living on, or right next to, a glacier is not appealing to me.

Nice to visit, but I'm with you. Wouldn’t want to live there.
🥶🥶🥶

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by HORNET

Cat 1, HUH ! What about those being flooded, homes destroyed, having to rebuild ! HUH ! Again . And you posted that it was only a Cat 1.

Sounding said it! HE couldn't be wrong! .... could he? I'm pretty sure it was a Cat 1 for a little while.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

If Fox had that data point, they would have reported it -- just like video of the 1st moon landing -- otherwise it's just hear-say.

What does a video of the 1st moon landing have to do with whether a hurricane is Cat 1 or Cat 2 ? 100 MPH winds plus flooding can be a life threatening experience.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What does a video of the 1st moon landing have to do with whether a hurricane is Cat 1 or Cat 2 ? 100 MPH winds plus flooding can be a life threatening experience.

There is no data to support Cat 2 status. Even Greg Postel of the Weather Channel sees this problem ... https://x.com/GregPostel/status/1833978091225641023

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What does a video of the 1st moon landing have to do with whether a hurricane is Cat 1 or Cat 2 ? 100 MPH winds plus flooding can be a life threatening experience.

Absolutely Nothing! At my age, just taking a shower can be a life threatening experience. 😁

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

You don't need a hurricane to create flooding. Come to the Weather Club for examples -- or look it up.

Please provide your data for this claim. Without data, it's just hearsay. (Or so we have been told.) 😐

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Of course they did. The National Weather Service also says man is responsible for global warming -- but they never tell you how much "man-made" CO2 warms the earth.

Man IS responsible for Global Warming. As far as CO2 is concerned if you are NOT worried about it, then try breathing while riding a bicycle behind a 2 year or older Golf Cart. The machines of humans (vehicles and factories) produce CO2. The MORE humans, therefore the MORE CO2 pollution. It is killing the Coral Reefs, warming the planet, melting glaciers, raising up the oceans levels, endangering cities, and increasing the production of plant pollen, which affects allergy sufferers almost year round now. The air is warmer so it holds more moisture and the oceans are warmer so that eventually Hurricanes will get stronger.
...........Why worry about whether a hurricane is class 1 or class 2 ------when the Earth is over-heating and the cause is too many oil and gasoline burning internal combustion engines in the world ??????

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Even Greg Postel from the Weather Channel is challenging the hurricane center as I do ... https://x.com/GregPostel/status/1833978091225641023

I found those graphs to be meaningless. Sorry.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

That is really the only constant: the constant string of excuses dating back to Katrina, of why we're not suffering from an avalanche of super hurricanes.

I would think that the answer to that question could be found by comparing the number and strength of WORLD-WIDE hurricanes in the past 30 years with the number for a period 30 years before our current period. I am NOT interested in doing that because Earth HEAT (and recorded temperatures) are the main problem and the last 30 years can be easily quantified and easy to look up. It is pretty logical that there will be more hurricanes when the EARTH is hotter.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Man IS responsible for Global Warming. As far as CO2 is concerned if you are NOT worried about it, then try breathing while riding a bicycle behind a 2 year or older Golf Cart. The machines of humans (vehicles and factories) produce CO2. The MORE humans, therefore the MORE CO2 pollution. It is killing the Coral Reefs, warming the planet, melting glaciers, raising up the oceans levels, endangering cities, and increasing the production of plant pollen, which affects allergy sufferers almost year round now. The air is warmer so it holds more moisture and the oceans are warmer so that eventually Hurricanes will get stronger.
...........Why worry about whether a hurricane is class 1 or class 2 ------when the Earth is over-heating and the cause is too many oil and gasoline burning internal combustion engines in the world ??????

Oh! Don't forget the cow farts! G E needs to know about cow farts. Humans are responsible for cow farts.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Man IS responsible for Global Warming. As far as CO2 is concerned if you are NOT worried about it, then try breathing while riding a bicycle behind a 2 year or older Golf Cart. The machines of humans (vehicles and factories) produce CO2. The MORE humans, therefore the MORE CO2 pollution. It is killing the Coral Reefs, warming the planet, melting glaciers, raising up the oceans levels, endangering cities, and increasing the production of plant pollen, which affects allergy sufferers almost year round now. The air is warmer so it holds more moisture and the oceans are warmer so that eventually Hurricanes will get stronger.
...........Why worry about whether a hurricane is class 1 or class 2 ------when the Earth is over-heating and the cause is too many oil and gasoline burning internal combustion engines in the world ??????

ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY WRONG!!!!

Again, since the current global warming limb of our current 60-100,000 year cycle of glaciation and interglacial thaws began 20,000 years ago, does anyone think Fred Flintstone drove a gas golf cart or a SUV???

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would think that the answer to that question could be found by comparing the number and strength of WORLD-WIDE hurricanes in the past 30 years with the number for a period 30 years before our current period. I am NOT interested in doing that because Earth HEAT (and recorded temperatures) are the main problem and the last 30 years can be easily quantified and easy to look up. It is pretty logical that there will be more hurricanes when the EARTH is hotter.

To quote Ronald Reagan: "There you go again". 30 years out of millions means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Oh! Don't forget the cow farts! G E needs to know about cow farts. Humans are responsible for cow farts.

Oh, now you're switching from CO2 to methane????? Sill irrelevant.

But I did see a golf cart with a big sign on the windshield that read "Vote Climate". I was tempted to stop them and administer an IQ test.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

Logical fallacies are never a reason to believe something is true.

That said, the Earth definitely is warming and would be even if humans never existed. The Milkanovitch Cycles, which have been accepted scientific fact since the 79s when their predictions still matches reality,show this clearly. They also clearly show CO2 level changes follow temp changes by a few hundred years, at least it has been such for the last 400,000 years or so

The issue is how much does man add to the temp rise, and this question cannot be answered by our current understanding of how our climate works. Right now, our addition falls into the margin of error, which is unfortunately very large.

The reason man's addition is what really matters is that if it is a scant 1%, then nothing we do matters. If it is 99%, then destroying economies and causing misery and suffering is a must.
We are quite sure it is neither of those two extremes, with it most likely being at the lower end, but we need to learn more before we know how to respond.

Those who say it is already too late are simply liars. Just like the guy who won a Nobel Prize for lying about glaciers all being gone in 2015.

Glaciers are certainly NOT GONE. They are just going, going. That is the phase we are in. I won't be alive to see the GONE GLACIERS phase. But, from what I have seen, people are slow to recognize problems. The world has ignored climate change for FAR too long. At least, the United Nations is taking it seriously. America was slow to react to WW2, so I expect that America to be one of the LAST countries to react to HEAT caused DEATHS because America is led around by the nose by its oil and gas LOBBY. Arizona and Texas have been reporting a record number of Heat related deaths this year. I wonder if any HEAT related deaths will be reported because of Hurricane Francine ?