[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Joe C.

Can't see the hurricane from my backyard, so I really don't care what category it is.

I do people that live on coast expect government to bail them out for there poor choice which costs use all in the end.

[CybrSage]

I, for one, am happy for the last 13,000 years of global warming. Living on, or right next to, a glacier is not appealing to me.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Makes me wonder who the conspiracies are. The 99% of the world's best and brightest, or the ones who demand we answer silly questions and give them data which they refute.

Logical fallacies are never a reason to believe something is true.

That said, the Earth definitely is warming and would be even if humans never existed. The Milkanovitch Cycles, which have been accepted scientific fact since the 79s when their predictions still matches reality,show this clearly. They also clearly show CO2 level changes follow temp changes by a few hundred years, at least it has been such for the last 400,000 years or so

The issue is how much does man add to the temp rise, and this question cannot be answered by our current understanding of how our climate works. Right now, our addition falls into the margin of error, which is unfortunately very large.

The reason man's addition is what really matters is that if it is a scant 1%, then nothing we do matters. If it is 99%, then destroying economies and causing misery and suffering is a must.
We are quite sure it is neither of those two extremes, with it most likely being at the lower end, but we need to learn more before we know how to respond.

Those who say it is already too late are simply liars. Just like the guy who won a Nobel Prize for lying about glaciers all being gone in 2015.

[jimbev]

The discussion is really whether weather is used to push governments growth and control.😎😍

[Marine1974]

Originally Posted by sounding

Despite boiling oceans and epic heat waves, Francine only attained Cat 1 status and never had a chance of attaining the anticipated major hurricane status. Why? The Tonga volcano prevented the hurricane helper, called La Nina, from developing, and it made the tropical atmosphere more stable - thus inhibiting tropical activity.

Francine was downgraded to a tropical depression on Thursday morning after making landfall in Louisiana as a Category 2 storm on Wednesday, the National Hurricane Center said.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by SaucyJim

Isn’t it still too warm for slippers? Get me my flip flops, minion!!

😎

One pair of size 15 camouflage flip flops comming right up, Boss! 😃😉🙃

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

Francine was downgraded to a tropical depression on Thursday morning after making landfall in Louisiana as a Category 2 storm on Wednesday, the National Hurricane Center said.

The problem is, the NHC has no data or evidence that Cat 2 winds were observed. This is troubling. Even Greg Postel from the Weather Channel sees this problem ... https://x.com/GregPostel/status/1833978091225641023

[Marine1974]

Originally Posted by sounding

Please provide the actual data which says Cat 2.

Francine was downgraded to a tropical depression on Thursday morning after making landfall in Louisiana as a Category 2 storm on Wednesday, the National Hurricane Center said.

[Marine1974]

Originally Posted by sounding

Cat 1 status has evidence --- Cat 2 does not -- unless you have it.

Francine was downgraded to a tropical depression on Thursday morning after making landfall in Louisiana as a Category 2 storm on Wednesday, the National Hurricane Center said.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

It's not trivial when there's an institutional change in how and when storms are being named and categorized -- because in most cases the trend is to inflate the numbers -- which of course adds to the fake climate crisis narratives. This was clearly described by the longest serving Director of the National Hurricane Center -- Dr. Neil Frank -- in his article ... How Busy Was the 2020 Hurricane Season? – Watts Up With That?

"FAKE"? You just called the director of the NHC a liar! Oh, my. Somebody call AP news wire. This could be big ... or not. 🙈🙉🙊😶

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimbev

The discussion is really whether weather is used to push governments growth and control.😎😍

Conspiracy theory. And, it's a world wide conspiracy involving friends and enemies? Well, anything is possible, but not very probable.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

Francine was downgraded to a tropical depression on Thursday morning after making landfall in Louisiana as a Category 2 storm on Wednesday, the National Hurricane Center said.

It's easy to make a claim, but it's better to provide data. Whenever I made a tropical cyclone forecast, I always provided the data. The NHC, so far, is not providing data showing evidence of Cat 2 status. Even The Weather Channel's Greg Postel sees this problem ... https://x.com/GregPostel/status/1833978091225641023

[blueash]

Originally Posted by sounding

"What else is there to know" ... is how the NHC is gradually inflating the numbers ... for which Dr Neil Frank, the longest serving Director of the NHC, is warning people about ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30kWv95kF_4

Maybe a little information other than longest serving director is important. Dr Frank is a signatory to the Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming which claims that God will take care of the planet and fix any problems.

We believe Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth’s climate system is no exception. Recent global warming is one of many natural cycles of warming and cooling in geologic history.
We deny that Earth and its ecosystems are the fragile and unstable products of chance, and particularly that Earth’s climate system is vulnerable to dangerous alteration because of minuscule changes in atmospheric chemistry

The Heartland institute where he spoke is

an American conservative and libertarian 501(c)(3) nonprofit public policy think tank known for denying the scientific consensus on climate change and the negative health impacts of smoking

Now the crux of Dr Frank's talk, making it seem like a conspiracy, Well he spends a lot of time looking at 1933 mild hurricane season and comparing it to 2020. He blames it all on satellites. Before satellites we couldn't see many storms that weren't near land. So people saying we have more hurricanes are wrong because we just didn't know about them before satellites.

He concludes, to a smattering of applause, that people who use "raw hurricane data to do research" are wrong.

Unlike Sounding's claim that Dr Frank spoke about gradually inflating numbers (sneaking it by on us), Dr Frank did not make that claim. He was very clear about the role of satellite detection which began in the 70's as his issue, with some few comments about how storms get named.

[HORNET]

Cat 1, HUH ! What about those being flooded, homes destroyed, having to rebuild ! HUH ! Again . And you posted that it was only a Cat 1.

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=sounding;2369801]ABC News is complicate in faking the climate crisis -- so they are not reliable.

Oh? Really? Prove it! Please provide your data! (Don't bother. We wouldn't believe you any more than you believe us.) 🫠