[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by blueash

Maybe a little information other than longest serving director is important. Dr Frank is a signatory to the Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming which claims that God will take care of the planet and fix any problems.


The Heartland institute where he spoke is


Now the crux of Dr Frank's talk, making it seem like a conspiracy, Well he spends a lot of time looking at 1933 mild hurricane season and comparing it to 2020. He blames it all on satellites. Before satellites we couldn't see many storms that weren't near land. So people saying we have more hurricanes are wrong because we just didn't know about them before satellites.

He concludes, to a smattering of applause, that people who use "raw hurricane data to do research" are wrong.

Unlike Sounding's claim that Dr Frank spoke about gradually inflating numbers (sneaking it by on us), Dr Frank did not make that claim. He was very clear about the role of satellite detection which began in the 70's as his issue, with some few comments about how storms get named.

That is quite a post, very impressive. And I could possibly generalize it to the "UNUSUAL" nature of The Villages Climate Club. I tend to feel that many religions feel threatened by SCIENCE. Interesting that they EVEN deny the adverse effect of SMOKING. THAT IS A WORLD-CLASS LEVEL OF DENYING.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Absolutely Nothing! At my age, just taking a shower can be a life threatening experience. 😁

That's true, for elderly people a home shower can be the most dangerous time of their day. Especially when they are scratching their heads and thinking,"Cat 1 or Cat 2 what am I to believe?"

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY WRONG!!!!

Again, since the current global warming limb of our current 60-100,000 year cycle of glaciation and interglacial thaws began 20,000 years ago, does anyone think Fred Flintstone drove a gas golf cart or a SUV???

So the Earth warmed up 20,000 years ago and there were no infernal combustion engines around then. And that proves....WHAT ??? Let's see...... X plus zero Y equals X , which proves nothing. The increased warming in the last 30 years is on record and MOST Scientists believe that it is CAUSED by MAN. Even the United Nations is worried. They have Scientists. That is their job, their life.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

To quote Ronald Reagan: "There you go again". 30 years out of millions means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

The great scientist - Ronald Reagan.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Oh, now you're switching from CO2 to methane????? Sill irrelevant.

But I did see a golf cart with a big sign on the windshield that read "Vote Climate". I was tempted to stop them and administer an IQ test.

Strange to NOT worry about Climate Change when we live in a state that is probably the MOST environmentally delicate of all the states. We are practically an island surrounded by oceans that are setting temperature records. 2024 is on track to set records for HEAT deaths in the US. Each succeeding year our Earth will get warmer due to increased population and POLLUTION from factories, forest fires, and infernal combustion engines.
......A warmer Earth means more hurricanes, not less.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY WRONG!!!!

Again, since the current global warming limb of our current 60-100,000 year cycle of glaciation and interglacial thaws began 20,000 years ago, does anyone think Fred Flintstone drove a gas golf cart or a SUV???

There you are! I was missing you.
Actually, imho, you are both partly right and partly wrong.
Earth heats and cools naturally over millenia. Humans have, until few thousands of years have made no more impact than other fauna have on the environment.
But, when humans reached various thresholds, in numbers, ability to change the land, build, we changed things in many ways.
Small ways at first. Then, in sufficient numbers, we hunted various animal into extinction. Changed landscapes, altering local microclimates.
Fast forward to the start of the industrial revolution. Millions of humans, burning, digging, building, became billions destroying forests, polluting rivers, lakes and oceans. Steam gave way to oil and bigger, more powerful machines that polluted and destroyed unrelenting until the air in the cities was brown and unfit to breath, the waters were poisoned from runoff from fertilizer and pesticides. A few weirdo "tree huggers" recognized what was happening. Explorer scientists, like Cousteau began to point out our errors. Environmentalism was born.
Now our interference with nature, by way of industry at all levels, drilling, digging, building, burning, terraforming, has accelerated the normal global warming far beyond what it would be if we never existed.
So, although the earth is warming naturally on it's own, we are responsible for the great and growing speed of global warming far in excess of what would be happening if we were hunter gatherers with a global population of a million or so.
The "camel" earth is already over loaded. We better start changing our way before we break the camels back. Cut pollution in all it's forms. I suggest we start with fossil fuels and plastics, and recycle like our existence relied on it. It does! Whether you realize it or not we are all astronauts relying on the recycling of water, air, food, everything. Even our earthly remains!

The worms crawl in. The worms crawl out. ....😳

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That's true, for elderly people a home shower can be the most dangerous time of their day. Especially when they are scratching their heads and thinking,"Cat 1 or Cat 2 what am I to believe?"

Is there a Cat 1.5? 🤔

[sounding]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Is there a Cat 1.5? 🤔

There is no Cat 1.5 ... however Francine could be a Cat 2 "if" someone could find the evidence. Good luck.

[asianthree]

I have to ask, is there a large prize say $100,000 for the proven correct answer? For a hurricane that doesn’t affect anyone in the general area of TV.

Almost 100 posts and so far doesn’t look like any one has won the prize money yet.
Or whoever gives up is really the winner

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

There is no Cat 1.5 ... however Francine could be a Cat 2 "if" someone could find the evidence. Good luck.

Thank you! If I find anything, I'll let you know.

Honey, have you seen the magic 8 ball?
🎱 now for some serious research! 🤓

[sounding]

Originally Posted by asianthree

I have to ask, is there a large prize say $100,000 for the proven correct answer? For a hurricane that doesn’t affect anyone in the general area of TV.

Almost 100 posts and so far doesn’t look like any one has won the prize money yet.
Or whoever gives up is really the winner

The prize is knowing fact from fiction -- and so far no one can provide a fact (evidence) that Francine was a Cat 2 storm -- not even folks at the Weather Channel.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

So the Earth warmed up 20,000 years ago and there were no infernal combustion engines around then. And that proves....WHAT ??? Let's see...... X plus zero Y equals X , which proves nothing. The increased warming in the last 30 years is on record and MOST Scientists believe that it is CAUSED by MAN. Even the United Nations is worried. They have Scientists. That is their job, their life.

Seriously???? What does it prove????

IT PROVES that the Earth has been warming for 19,970 years before your measly 30-year trivial snippet, ALL WITHOUT THE HELP OF HUMANS!!!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by sounding

The prize is knowing fact from fiction -- and so far no one can provide a fact (evidence) that Francine was a Cat 2 storm -- not even folks at the Weather Channel.

A rose is a rose no matter what you call it.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The great scientist - Ronald Reagan.

Sorry you didn't get it

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

There is no Cat 1.5 ... however Francine could be a Cat 2 "if" someone could find the evidence. Good luck.

Found an AOL report stating that readings taken at a number of AccuWeather meters located on oil rigs in the gulf, Eugene island being one, showed winds of 97 to 112 mph. Meters located between 100-200 ft above ocean surface. Will you accept this?
By the way, as of latest search, no deaths (thank goodness) attributed to Francine.