[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

For plants.?.?. Don't see many HUMANS choosing to live in greenhouses. Do you?

Speaking of where to live or what structure people should live in. Most everything in nature is round. Nature does NOT like straight lines. What do Eskimo homes look like? They are round to maximize volume while minimizing precious natural material.

[Regorp]

Originally Posted by sounding

Learn what the climate alarmists are trying to hide from you - NEEM. Find out the scary details of what's really causing today's weather -- the sun. If you don't know what NEEM means, then please attend the next meeting of the Weather Club on Jan 18 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.

One thing on Earth we can count on is the knowledge that climate will constantly change, permanently in flux, for billions of years.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest

Very possibly a 'She'.

And 'She' could be a Lesbian as well.

It really depends on what you believe. If one were a Christian, God has to be a male human at conception. Rational: if Jesus is the son of God, that explains the "Y" chromosome. Additionally, Mary could not have been a virgin.
But this would be a great philosophical discussion for another thread. Back on track.

[gorillarick]

Do you expect climate to never change ?
We've had seriously colder climates twice in the past 500 years.

[JRcorvette]

Climate change is not real and man can not control the climate… it will never happen.

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by Retiredsteve

. If the deniers are wrong we are screwed. If the climate change people are wrong we wind up with a cleaner planet

If PZ's info is accurate from today's post, then both would seem likely moot. Starting at the 6:30 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4ct2yCQOK0

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by Regorp

One thing on Earth we can count on is the knowledge that climate will constantly change, permanently in flux, for billions of years.

Reminder - the climate change crisis is about the RATE of change, which we DO have control over..

[SHIBUMI]

Bigfoot, the Lockness Monster, Aliens landing and re=engineering their space craft, the tooth fairy, global warming? Wow do we like to imagine. There have many many many ice ages over time, No one has found Bigfoot, the lockness monster, aliens, not even alien scat and how to change temperatures. Dream a little dream, BUT, I do think the tooth fairy exists, I still have my dollar bill from when it happened. Too bad it doesn't happen when you get older...............

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by gorillarick

Do you expect climate to never change ?
We've had seriously colder climates twice in the past 500 years.

The concern isn't that climate changes. The concern is the rate of change due to the distruction/loss of habitat caused by human activities, particularly since the industrial revolution. Well documented and studied with overwhelming evidence globally.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Bigfoot, the Lockness Monster, Aliens landing and re=engineering their space craft, the tooth fairy, global warming? Wow do we like to imagine. There have many many many ice ages over time, No one has found Bigfoot, the lockness monster, aliens, not even alien scat and how to change temperatures. Dream a little dream, BUT, I do think the tooth fairy exists, I still have my dollar bill from when it happened. Too bad it doesn't happen when you get older...............

Too, too bad. Indeedie! 🙃

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

The concern isn't that climate changes. The concern is the rate of change due to the distruction/loss of habitat caused by human activities, particularly since the industrial revolution. Well documented and studied with overwhelming evidence globally.

Sorry, but you are wrong. There is absolutely NO/NO proof that man has any effect on the "rate of change." The ONLY/ONLY thing mankind has any effect on is air pollution.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Sorry, but you are wrong. There is absolutely NO/NO proof that man has any effect on the "rate of change." The ONLY/ONLY thing mankind has any effect on is air pollution.

Just like back in kindergarten? Your wrong! No, your wrong!

There is. It is real. And no bigfoots (or should that be bigfeet?) were harmed in this word exchange.

[Laraine]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

Save the planet for future generations. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but is this I got mine screw everyone else. Let me rephrase save the planet, to instead leaving a habitual place for the people who come after me when I'm gone. The way I see it the planet has been pretty good to me, and I want to leave it that way for others. Think of it this way it's like flushing the toilet in a public restroom before you leave. As I stated in earlier postings I don't know if man is responsible for climate change, but to try do nothing is selfish and irresponsible.

For those who say that it's a choice of saving money or saving the planet for future generations, that's a false choice. Other than the money angle that's been mentioned, the current plans of eliminating fossil fuels, going to electric cars, renewable energy, etc., will not necessarily result in a cleaner planet, but it most definitely will result in millions or billions of deaths worldwide. Fossil fuels are a major component of many products, including fertilizer, medicines, plastics, etc. By taking relatively cheap fertilizer away, and also making transportation more expensive, things like food become much more expensive, and a good number of those in third world countries die of starvation. Many are even starving now, because we use about half of our corn to make inefficient ethanol, rather than using it as food, substantially raising the price (both for eating corn and for feeding animals).

In the US, we have a very fragile electric grid. Aside from the issues of EVs not working or even charging in the cold, adding that much more to the grid makes us even more susceptible to total collapse of society if the grid breaks, or is broken by terrorism. Also, China is the leading producer of EVs and rare earth minerals that are used in battery production. Other than the problems of just relying on them, they are also major polluters in mining the minerals, etc., so we aren't really cleaning things up anyway.

I would much rather gradually transition to new technologies, as the market determines they are ready, continue to reduce pollution as we have been doing for decades (CO2 is not pollution), and not waste trillions of dollars, rather than the alternative of spending those trillions and causing certain death and destruction. This is particularly true, when considering the ice core data which shows that our current warming trend started from the coldest climate period in the last 10,000 years.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Just like back in kindergarten? Your wrong! No, your wrong!

There is. It is real. And no bigfoots (or should that be bigfeet?) were harmed in this word exchange.

Prove it. No, forget it because I figure that my kids will suffer more from trillions of bucks frivolously wasted and putting them in debt than by the myth of man caused climate change research(that goes nowhere). And like I have said many times, when asked for ANY proof, I only get responding excuses from those that can't prove anything so they rely on the media instead of hard, solid facts. Man made pollution (which has been proven) does not cause any change in cyclic climate deviations. The only proof of anything by scientists is that the world has ALWAYS been subject to climate change.
And by the way, you can eliminate all Humans from the world and you will still have pollution by volcanoes, animals, vegetation, mold and decay. And all those listed also create heat in the atmosphere too.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Reminder - the climate change crisis is about the RATE of change, which we DO have control over..

Well, the "RATE of change" is increasing faster than most Climate Scientists expected. In the last 10 or 11 years the measurements of ocean levels and their change (due to melting glaciers) have increased significantly more each year. Recently scientists have been focused in on Greenland and satellite photos over about 20 years show a decrease in glacier ICE of about 10 %.
.........A graph of world population shows a high rate of change which leads to more fossil fuel usage - thus, more CO2 production, thus more HEAT reflection from the upper atmosphere back to earth.